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#1 diznanl

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 12:05 AM

Hello EssArrBee,

 

I finished the FLNV mod install process and believe I was very successful... all mods appear to be working, I installed all the recommended texture packs at their recommended sizes... but I'm getting a lot of lag in both interiors and exteriors, opening my pip boy, and anytime there is steam/myst/waterfountains.  Aside from the INI tweaks in the guide, I have the game set at Ultra settings at 4K

 

My specs:

i7-7700K

GeForce 1070

16GB RAM

Samsung SSD

 

The one part of the guide I was not able to follow as extraction of BSAs (vanilla and mods) and then compression/optimization using DDSopt.  I just couldn't follow the directions on either your page or the tool author's page.

 

My questions:

1. Is there an existing video on how to extract and optimize textures?  Are there updated instructions that go step by step?

2. Aside from optimizing textures, is there anything else I can do to fix lag... I suppose I could turn down fade distances, but hoping there's another solution.

 

Active mods from Mod Organizer attached.  Thank you in advance!

 

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#2 Kelmych

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:11 AM

Optimizing the vanilla textures generally has only a small effect on game performance unless you are doing it to reduce the size of the textures. With your system texture size reduction should not be needed. Moreover, the optimization tool isn't especially easy to use.

 

The FNV game engine itself can have some lag no matter how good a CPU and GPU are used; it was built a long time ago and was not designed for 4K monitors or a lot of 4K textures. Have you used Performance Monitor or GPU-Z to look at your VRAM usage; with 4K (and sometimes with a lot of 2K textures with FNV) textures you might be using more VRAM than the game engine can handle? You might try seeing whether the High (vs. Ultra) settings make a difference; in some of the Bethesda games the Ultra settings might some small performance issues. Did you use BethINI to set the Fallout INI configurations, by the way?



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Posted 19 September 2017 - 03:38 AM

Hello EssArrBee,

 

My specs:

i7-7700K

GeForce 1070

16GB RAM

Samsung SSD

The hardware isn't up to it the a single 1070 isn't going to have the grunt to deliver decent frame rates at 4K, you need a minimum of a 1080, ideally a 1080ti with a factory overclock for decent frame rates from a single card at that resolution. Your CPU is good enough but even there I would OC with a AIO liquid cooler to keep things stable.

My Specs:
i7 6700K (4.7 OC, Bethesda games are often choking on single threaded performance due to DX9/DX11 and scripts)
GeForceĀ® GTX 1080 Xtreme Gaming WATERFORCE 8G (Factory OC and water cooling means it is stable at just over 2000mhz even during benchmarks and stress tests)
32GB of RAM
2 SSD one for OS and one for Games
iiyama X4071UHSU-B1 40" ProLite 4K


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#4 diznanl

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 10:21 AM

Optimizing the vanilla textures generally has only a small effect on game performance unless you are doing it to reduce the size of the textures. With your system texture size reduction should not be needed. Moreover, the optimization tool isn't especially easy to use.

 

The FNV game engine itself can have some lag no matter how good a CPU and GPU are used; it was built a long time ago and was not designed for 4K monitors or a lot of 4K textures. Have you used Performance Monitor or GPU-Z to look at your VRAM usage; with 4K (and sometimes with a lot of 2K textures with FNV) textures you might be using more VRAM than the game engine can handle? You might try seeing whether the High (vs. Ultra) settings make a difference; in some of the Bethesda games the Ultra settings might some small performance issues. Did you use BethINI to set the Fallout INI configurations, by the way?

Thanks, Kelmych -- Using BethINI optimized settings seems to have smoothed out the game pretty well, even still at Ultra settings, though there is still the occasional lag (though much, much reduced).  As to the VRAM, I used the vramsizetest recommended in the FLNV guide to determine the VRAM to set for ENBoost.  I'll check GPU-Z on VRAM usage.

 

The hardware isn't up to it the a single 1070 isn't going to have the grunt to deliver decent frame rates at 4K, you need a minimum of a 1080, ideally a 1080ti with a factory overclock for decent frame rates from a single card at that resolution. Your CPU is good enough but even there I would OC with a AIO liquid cooler to keep things stable.

My Specs:
i7 6700K (4.7 OC, Bethesda games are often choking on single threaded performance due to DX9/DX11 and scripts)
GeForceĀ® GTX 1080 Xtreme Gaming WATERFORCE 8G (Factory OC and water cooling means it is stable at just over 2000mhz even during benchmarks and stress tests)
32GB of RAM
2 SSD one for OS and one for Games
iiyama X4071UHSU-B1 40" ProLite 4K

 

Thanks, paradoxbound -- I'll do a small bit of OCing with Afterburner for the GFX card and see if I can OC the 7700K a bit... I think I have successfully hit 4.8 pretty easily in the past.  I have the game on its own SSD and the OS on its own SSD, so shouldn't be a bottleneck there.

 

 


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#5 diznanl

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 01:02 PM

Optimizing the vanilla textures generally has only a small effect on game performance unless you are doing it to reduce the size of the textures. With your system texture size reduction should not be needed. Moreover, the optimization tool isn't especially easy to use.

 

The FNV game engine itself can have some lag no matter how good a CPU and GPU are used; it was built a long time ago and was not designed for 4K monitors or a lot of 4K textures. Have you used Performance Monitor or GPU-Z to look at your VRAM usage; with 4K (and sometimes with a lot of 2K textures with FNV) textures you might be using more VRAM than the game engine can handle? You might try seeing whether the High (vs. Ultra) settings make a difference; in some of the Bethesda games the Ultra settings might some small performance issues. Did you use BethINI to set the Fallout INI configurations, by the way?

Are you referring to Skyrim Performance Monitor?  


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#6 Kelmych

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Posted 19 September 2017 - 10:55 PM

Yes, I meant Skyrim Performance Monitor. It also works with Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas.



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Posted 20 September 2017 - 03:38 AM

@kelmych -- thanks a lot!  I used BethINI to go to High settings and Performance Monitor showed I was doing good.

 

@paradoxbound -- thanks, too.  I did a slight overclock on the graphics card and turned C-State off in my bios.

 

Both solutions have lead to a much smoother game.  I appreciate it

 

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Posted 25 September 2017 - 01:40 PM

I discovered one more thing that massively improved performance: change EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks in enblocal.ini from FALSE to TRUE

 

EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=true

 

... this was actually the biggest improvement to performance.  I've been able to revert my OC and the game still runs as smoothly as vanilla game did, and at 4K.


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Posted 25 September 2017 - 09:51 PM

I discovered one more thing that massively improved performance: change EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks in enblocal.ini from FALSE to TRUE

 

EnableUnsafeMemoryHacks=true

 

... this was actually the biggest improvement to performance.  I've been able to revert my OC and the game still runs as smoothly as vanilla game did, and at 4K.

According to information regarding this option, Boris states that this option is for and related to bad drivers, and if this option winds helping you, you first try to reinstall your gpu driver, as this would be the likely culprit. Furthermore this option was introduced as a means for troubleshooting, and should not be enabled for normal play.

 

 

The hardware isn't up to it the a single 1070 isn't going to have the grunt to deliver decent frame rates at 4K, you need a minimum of a 1080, ideally a 1080ti with a factory overclock for decent frame rates from a single card at that resolution. Your CPU is good enough but even there I would OC with a AIO liquid cooler to keep things stable.

My Specs:
i7 6700K (4.7 OC, Bethesda games are often choking on single threaded performance due to DX9/DX11 and scripts)
GeForceĀ® GTX 1080 Xtreme Gaming WATERFORCE 8G (Factory OC and water cooling means it is stable at just over 2000mhz even during benchmarks and stress tests)
32GB of RAM
2 SSD one for OS and one for Games
iiyama X4071UHSU-B1 40" ProLite 4K

A 1070 struggles this much? I have no experience with a 1070, but I have played around with a 1080 my buddy bought that I helped setup for him.

 

If you look at my specs I am running a somewhat weaker spec than you, but I can achieve a solid  60fps at 2k, which I run, but I can achieve an average of 49fps at 4k, for modded Skyrim anyway. This is without ANY personal overclocking of either the gpu, cpu or ram. If a 1070 struggles for 4k like you claim, I have to believe something is not right with the system it is installed on.

If you are basing your information off of any review(s) posted on the internet about any gpu performance, this is terribly misleading. Take my card for example, PowerColor PCS+ R9 290. The reviews you read would never suggest that I could achieve anything close to what I can at 2k and 4k. Shoot, 4k isn't even a tested option for this card. 


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