I will simply clarify a few things about my postings here on this topic....
There is no need for anyones opinions or history being raked up.
Anytime you post in public view, you open that posting up to public review, regardless of those reviews being positive or negative. Hence why I said this should have been a PM. Especially if you didn't want any other postings from our 12,000+ members. Food for thought?
The point is, sometimes on a daily basis, sometimes weekly, there is always at least a couple of posts across all of the Wrye Bash Nexus topics requesting help from users running Wrye Bash via MO2
We have at the top of all descriptions a notice to reflect we will not be able to help
We have at the top of all posts a sticky post with quite a prominent request not to bother asking for our assistance, because we dont know how to help.
Which is why I mentioned this just comes with the territory and no amount of posting notices is going to make a difference. I've been with STEP for years now and you will always always always have users who don't read, don't search, don't care...they just go straight to posting. That's never going to change. What you currently have in place is most likely fending off a lot more users than you realize. What you have left are just those users that don't read, don't search, and don't care.
All I see right now are TA and Maximillian going a bit defensive and dragging up history which is uncalled for. What the hell has Arthmoor and another modding site got to do with this request?, and why would Wrye Bash team need to use MO/2 as part of developing Wrye Bash?. As for the rest of the diatribe posted above, really was there any need for most of it?. I admire the work that Tannin did in producing MO, and do not envy LePresidente taking over such a complex project as MO2.
No defense here. Just opinions/statements from my personal experience. As for there rest, you have to know some of the history to know the reasons for its mention....and again, this is from the outside looking in as an observer. To make this short, MO/2 has always made exceptions for WB and has made specific changes to its development so that some of WB's functionality can still be of use to some users. However, on the flip side, WB has always been bluntly against pretty much all of MO/2 and has made few to no exceptions for it and how users are using WB via MO/2 (mainly the Bashed Patching feature). I've seen this going on for years now and it's not changed. Seeing your post and the wording of it just said more of the same to me. And again, is why I said I wish the teams would cooperate.
As for why they should be familiar with MO/2, it's because of how users are using their product (WB) via MO/2. Knowing how MO/2 works and how to use it makes all sorts of sense.
- they can get an idea of how to better develop WB so it stays useful for all users (MO/2 or WB users)
- they can get new and fresh ideas for features to incorporate into WB
- they can better support users by understanding what is going on when issues to arise
- they can help MO/2 devs via information to develop MO/2 to better utilize WB features
- they can help give MO/2 devs a "heads up" when changes to WB might break something
- cooperation very well could bring in more devs to WB if both team could work together on issues
...that's just from the top of my head without thinking.
Edit : Aren't forum Administrators supposed to be impartial ?.
Impartial doesn't mean without opinion. It simply means treating all parties fairly. With the information I have from over the years being on the outside looking in, which I've very briefly summarized here, I believe I've presented my opinion fairly and honestly....though this was not from an "Administrator", but rather was from "TechAngel85".
Also, I don't want my statements misunderstood. I'm not against WB. I've used it heavily and successfully for some time before MO2 was up to speed and stable. Nor do I have anything against anyone on the WB dev team, several of whom I've reached out to in the past. Arthmoor has been particularly helpful with some issues I've had in the past. The only thing I don't agree with is the lack of cooperation I see. I don't think it's going to change anytime soon, but one can hope.