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#31 TechAngel85

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 05:09 PM

Several of these comments sound like speculation and rumors of the gossip mill. Please provide links to reputable sources when quoting this stuff so that rumors don't take over the conversation in this thread.

As for the programs being called "apps", that started with Windows 8 and was a result of aligning more with the mobile industry.

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 06:02 PM

As a reference for my post about Project Spartan being officially named Edge, here's a page from Microsoft's website with some more info regarding it.

 

http://windows.micro...crosoft-edge-pc


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#33 alt3rn1ty

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 06:08 PM

Reference for Windows 10 being the last ( hell theres loads of them if you google )

 

arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/windows-10-to-be-the-last-version-of-windows-until-the-next-version/

 

 


Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10." That was the message from Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer evangelist speaking at the company's Ignite conference this week. Nixon was explaining how Microsoft was launching Windows 8.1 last year, but in the background it was developing Windows 10. Now, Microsoft employees can talk freely about future updates to Windows 10 because there's no secret update in the works coming next. It's all just Windows 10. While it immediately sounds like Microsoft is killing off Windows and not doing future versions, the reality is a little more complex. The future is "Windows as a service.

 

 

Reference for Windows possibly locking down the boot up

 

SERIES: Security Now!
EPISODE: #500
DATE: March 24, 2015
TITLE: Windows Secure Boot

But what generated a ton of news stories when people saw this is that, for Win 10 desktop, for the first time, they said it's the OEM's option whether to allow the end user to turn off Secure Boot.  Now, if this stands, and this is subject to change by the time it finally happens late this summer, presumably, but this is a policy change from Win8 because Win8 also used UEFI Secure Boot, had to ship with it enabled.  However, in order to get the logo certification for Win8, the OEM had to allow the end user to turn it off and had to allow them to add their own security certificates to the UEFI Secure Boot database.
 
So this sort of, I mean, this has sort of always been Microsoft's approach is, for example, in XP they added a firewall.  And this was still when the market was selling third-party firewalls; but, oh, not to worry, it's off by default.  And sure enough, it really didn't affect anyone because it was off by default.  But then, of course, famously with Service Pack 2 they turned it on.  And so Microsoft sort of creeps along like this.  Anyway, so the issue is that, if you were to purchase a machine which the OEM had removed the opportunity to disable Secure Boot in the BIOS, then that's a Windows appliance.  You can't put Linux on it.  You can't do anything else with it that you may want to.
 
So actually my memory failed me a little, but the machine has to be setup that way by OEM, I dont think the OS install itself could do this. So watch out for new machines not being able to dual boot in future if you are buying.

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#34 TechAngel85

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 07:49 PM

As a reference for my post about Project Spartan being officially named Edge, here's a page from Microsoft's website with some more info regarding it.
 
http://windows.micro...crosoft-edge-pc

Oh, that I knew. I'll update the OP.

@Alt
That sounds like a marketing scheme rather than a security feature, which makes more sense when you look at it from that angle. By the sounds of the secure boot bit, the name brand manufacturers could possibly leave it up to the user since they don't reliable on those same certifications to be able to install an OEM version of Windows 10.

 

As for this being the last version of Windows...possibly, but I would suspect they would eventually start development of their next platform, most likely rebranded Windows. That practice is very common in many industries.



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Posted 05 June 2015 - 10:48 PM

Here Are the Features Windows 10 Will Remove When You Upgrade

 

from here ..

https://www.thurrott...hen-you-upgrade

 

 

Note the last one

 

 


Windows Updates. This is the most interesting one. In previous Windows versions, you could control how updates were installed. But those with Windows 10 Home will have updates from Windows Update made available automatically. Only Windows 10 Pro and Windows 10 Enterprise users will be able to defer updates.

 

You lose control over what windows updates get installed unless you are on Pro or Enterprise .. MS says bend over.

Questionable software "updates" like the NSA / GCHQ security bypassing paedo viewer Skype, and Silverlight, wont have to be a toss up between Important or Optional OS updates anymore, MS will just install what it regards are OS updates without giving you a choice to disable and hide them.

 

True Colours of a "free" Windows OS becoming apparent there I think.


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#36 TechAngel85

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 11:17 PM

I did read that somewhere on a Microsoft page. However, I agree with their decision on that. If you think about it, most users of the Home edition are everyday users who aren't tech savvy. It would make sense to force updates on these systems. I've had many computer repair visits while freelancing which simply required me installing the Windows updates to fix the issues they were experiencing. Most tech savvy users already have versions of Windows 7/8 which would get them the Pro upgrade. The only ones that don't most likely have pre-built systems.

As for losing Media Center, that isn't any loss in my opinion. VLC. DVD play back...again, who is using the built in Windows players? The rest aren't really losses, but rather replacements.

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On another note, I finished installing STEP:Core. I have yet to run the game though. Have to turn in for the night. The only issue I ran into was the Bashed Patch log didn't display, saying "page not found", after building the Patch in WB. The Patch built fine, but the log didn't display.

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Posted 05 June 2015 - 11:43 PM

I tend to agree with Tech on this point. Users of Windows Home aren't going to know one end of an update from the other, most couldn't tell you how to access the Control Panel if you asked them. This makes perfect sense to me.

As for the software that isn't being installed as per previous versions? No big loss, plenty of superior alternatives around.

 

So far the biggest issue I have with the state of it, is the poor Spartan/Edge reviews. I so hoped MS had gotten it's act together and made a good browser, sadly it appears not to be so.



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Posted 06 June 2015 - 01:41 AM

I held off on buying Windows 8 Pro (running the Windows 8.1 upgrade) because I didn't see anything missing from it besides mostly Management features. (ability to join a domain, group policy, etc.)

 

With Windows 10, I wonder if it will be important for gamers to purchase Windows 10 Pro? (if they didn't have a Pro equivalent edition already) Generally I've never had any issues with automatic updates, but if Windows is now picking and choosing more of them for me, will that be causing potential problems with drivers related to gaming? (among other issues)


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#39 Octopuss

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Posted 06 June 2015 - 03:12 AM

alt3rn1ty, I don't want to troll you or anything, but are you from America by chance? The amount of paranoia in your posts in this thread is sky high.

I don't really care one bit if Microsoft stuffs the system with NSA backdoors (but I don't believe for a second there are any, because if it was the case, they would have been doing it for decade(s) already), because I don't have anything to hide. Be my guest to see what music I have on the disk and what kind of porn I download. I don't care.

 

All I care for is better design (the interface is horrible and I will never forgive Microsoft for Metro) and the ability to customize the system so that I can at least switch off the junk I don't want.


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 05:25 AM

alt3rn1ty, I don't want to troll you or anything, but are you from America by chance? The amount of paranoia in your posts in this thread is sky high.

I don't really care one bit if Microsoft stuffs the system with NSA backdoors (but I don't believe for a second there are any, because if it was the case, they would have been doing it for decade(s) already), because I don't have anything to hide. Be my guest to see what music I have on the disk and what kind of porn I download. I don't care.

 

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#41 Octopuss

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Posted 06 June 2015 - 05:46 AM

I don't live in America. This is not a concern for me.

Seriously, the wall of text you produced is exactly the same thing Alternity posted, only much more paranoid. Bring up the tinfoil hat! just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you :P


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 06:06 AM

I take it you have never worked in the, well, data security sector?

 

One example of known backdoors in routers

 

An article about this backdoor and some more

 

Europol's 2014 iOCTA (Internet Organised Crime Threat Assessment)

 

NSA Prism program taps in to user data of Apple, Google and others

 

The problem is not to point out vulnerabilities and their (ab)use, the problem is to stop once you get going, because there is already so much known, even to the public. The vulnerabilities demonstrated in symposia of experts are often astonishing and not often closed.


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#43 alt3rn1ty

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Posted 06 June 2015 - 10:29 AM

::D:  I resemble those remarks

After Edward Snowden the word paranoia = Healthy suspicion imho

Anyway, Facts, not paranoia, but thanks for the personal pickup Octopuss, it expanded on the awareness somewhat more than I ever would have bothered to do in contributing to the knowledge of a free Windows 10 potential "features".

 

Other parents who may also be concerned with future developments for their children may read this topic too, whether you care or not is irrelevant.

 

//offtopic hopefully


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#44 Octopuss

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Posted 06 June 2015 - 11:09 AM

I find it funny how none of the posts thus far explained any backdoors in Windows 10, or in Windows in general. All of the paranoid posts were about things that are completely irrelevant to the actual OS.

But hey, I'm not trying to take your tinfoil hat from you. If you are an american, you might as well need it, because apparently the government spying, censorship and whatever is much, much worse there than in Europe.


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Posted 06 June 2015 - 12:17 PM

 

You lose control over what windows updates get installed unless you are on Pro or Enterprise .. MS says bend over.

 

Like others are saying - tech savvy users will probably not get the Home edition.  Forcing updates on what are most likely non-tech savvy users will help to prevent oblivious users' computers from becoming hacker resources.  Good idea - force immediate security updates on the sheep that get preyed upon.


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