FPS drop near Breezehome / Drunken Huntsman

[Hackfield]

Hello

 

Few days ago I've started to notice a massive FPS drop near breezehome, actually, it's a small area that goes from the entrance of whiterun to the market, in that area, my FPS drops to near 30fps, when in any other place I have a solid 60fps

 

I started to deactivate plugins that may affect the area (such like Elianora's Breezehome, notice board and ELFX exteriors) but the FPS drops are still there (all the test were made in a new game, i.e. coc whiterun at the main menu)

 

So I traced a map of the area where the FPS drop is contained.

 

The drop is almost immediate when you enter the zone, and when you leave, the FPS is immediately restored to 60fps.

 

I wonder if there is an occlusion plane in that zone, Probably there is, but I can't find what mod is causing the FPS drop (One would guess that the market area and the wind district should be the most FPS intensive, since most NPCs walk around those areas, but I have a solid 60fps there)

 

Here is my plugins list

 

Skyrim.esm

Update.esm

Dawnguard.esm

HearthFires.esm

Dragonborn.esm

Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch.esp

Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm

RaceCompatibility.esm

RSkyrimChildren.esm

Campfire.esm

EFFCore.esm

WM Flora Fixes.esp

notice board.esp

RaceCompatibilityUSKPOverride.esp

FNIS.esp

RaceMenu.esp

RaceMenuOverlays.esp

RaceMenuPlugin.esp

XPMSE.esp

AHZmoreHUD.esp

All Geared Up.esp

DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

EasyWheel.esp

Extended UI.esp

iHUD.esp

LootandDegradation.esp

SimplyKnock.esp

SkyUI.esp

TradeBarter.esp

UIExtensions.esp

vAutosaveManager.esp

EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

ELFX - Exteriors.esp

Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp

Better Dynamic Snow.esp

mintylightningmod.esp

WondersofWeather.esp

Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp

Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp

Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp

Realistic Boat Bobbing.esp

RealisticWaterTwo.esp

WetandCold.esp

WetandCold - Ashes.esp

AOS.esp

TrueStorms.esp

Complete Alchemy & Cooking Overhaul.esp

CACO_AlternateNames.esp

DeadlyDragons.esp

BHTNF_Eli.esp

Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul.esp

NPC_Overhaul_V_3_.esp

MergedPlugins.esp

Stealth Skills Rebalanced_COMPLETE.esp

Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp

RelightingSkyrim-FULL.esp

TheChoiceIsYours.esp

SMIM-Merged-All.esp

Immersive Horses.esp

LegendaryCompanionPerk.esp

Frostfall.esp

BlacksmithHorseWaterFix.esp

EmbersHD.esp

HoldBorderBanners.esp

Skysan_HCShareBed.esp

TimingIsEverything.esp

Dawnguard Dawnbreaker.esp

RSChildren_CompleteUSKP.esp

SkyforgeWeaponsShields.esp

Unique Uniques.esp

WarmongerArmory_Vanilla.esp

WarmongerArmory_DLC.esp

Paarthurnax_Bypass.esp

VioLens.esp

Better Stealth AI for Followers.esp

RaceCompatibility-Dialog-Legendary.esp

FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp

EFFDialogue.esp

Dynamic Dialogue Followers.esp

UniqueHuskies.esp

CustomRaces.esp

Catlike Khajiit + NPCs.esp

The Ordinary Women.esp

Bijin Warmaidens.esp

STEPWthrFixes.esp

ELE_Legendary_Lite.esp

Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 1.esp

ConflictResolution.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

And here some images

 

 

 

 

 

I wanna know if someone have or had this issue, or if anyone have any idea of which mod can be causing such FPS drop in that specific area

 

Thanks

 

 

[Astakos]

Hi Hackfield,

 

I do not know if you have solved your framerate issue, but...as a last resort you can try the XPMSE Skeleton for RSChildren mod since you are using both XPMSE and RS Children.

 

It resolves a few FPS problem around kids especially if using HDT; so perhaps this will help you a bit since the area that you are suffering these FPS drops is some sort of "kids-gathering" area.

 

Thanks!

[TechAngel85]

You have way too many mods that I'm unfamiliar with to be of any help. Deactivate them one by one is the only thing I can really suggest. I don't know of a mod that would cause this. I know ELFX is a cause of this behavior in some other areas like Jorrvaskr. Something to do with the meshes.

[Rebel47]

These fps drops your experiencing are they every time or only during rain and/or other adverse weather conditions, also your mod list does not tell us what texture replacers you have installed so there could be a problem there somewhere also.

[DoubleYou]

Not enough information. Perhaps you installed 4k smoke textures?

[Hackfield]

These fps drops your experiencing are they every time or only during rain and/or other adverse weather conditions, also your mod list does not tell us what texture replacers you have installed so there could be a problem there somewhere also.

It happens everytime, with every weather. It's less noticeable at night but I guess it's because there are less NPCs around.

 

Not enough information. Perhaps you installed 4k smoke textures?

I do use a few texture replacers, but I avoid 4k and sometimes even 2k (I care about FPS and I don't find the need of having 2k eyes or 2k plants, not even 1k smoke)

 

Most of the time I stick with vanilla Hi-Res sizes, 2k for diffuse, 1k for normals.

 

Here is the list of mods I'm using

 

+Optimized Vanilla Textures - HD

*Unmanaged: Dawnguard

+Optimized Dawnguard Textures - HD

*Unmanaged: HearthFires

+Optimized HearthFires Textures - HD

*Unmanaged: Dragonborn

+Optimized Dragonborn Textures - HD

*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01

*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02

*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03

+Cleaned Vanilla ESMs

----------------------- FIXES ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+Unofficial Skyrim Legendary Edition Patch

+Unofficial High Resolution Patch

+Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade

+Clothing and Clutter Fixes

+Clothing and Clutter Fixes - RSchildren

+Skyrim Project Optimization

----------------------- SKSE ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+SKSE 1.07.03 - Data

+Crash fixes

+Dragon Stalking Fix

+Enchantment Reload Fix

+Follower Trap Safety

+Fuz Ro D-oh - Silent Voice

+HDT Physics Extensions

+No Enchantment Restrictions - SKSE No Conflict

+Quick Loot

+QuickLoot_Dialog

+RaceCompatibility with fixes

+RaceCompatibility - Dialog Changes

+Remove Lockpicking

+Smart Souls

----------------------- INTERFACES -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+SkyUI

+All Geared Up

+AutoSave Manager

+Better Dialogue Controls

+Better MessageBox Controls

+Dot crosshair and thinner compass

+DYNAVISION - Dynamic Depth of Field

+Extensible Follower Framework

+Easy Wheelmenu

+KenMOD - Lockpick Pro - Cheat

+KenMOD - Time on loading screen

+Immersive HUD - iHUD

+iWASM - Immersive Wait And Sleep Menu

+Extended UI

+MainMenu

+moreHUD

+RaceMenu

+Smaller Cursor

+SSIRT v2.0

----------------------- QUESTS and OVERHAULS -----------------------------------------------------------------------

+Campfire - Complete Camping System

+Traps Make Noise - More Dangerous Traps

+Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade

+Traps Make Noise - More Dangerous Traps - CCO - Follower Safety Patch

+Complete Alchemy and Cooking Overhaul

+CACO Patches

+Deadly Dragons

+Enhanced Blood Textures

+Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival

+Immersive Horses

+Lightning during Thunder Storms

+Loot and Degradation

+Paarthurnax Bypass

+The Notice Board

+The Notice Board Redefined - New Meshes and Textures

+Lighter Texture for The Notice Board

+Simply Knock

+SkyUI 5.1 Add-On for Frostfall 3.0

+Stealth Skills Rebalanced - Sneak - Lockpicking - Pickpocket

+Smithing Perks Overhaul

+The Choice is Yours - Fewer Forced Quests - Improved Dialogue Options

+Timing is Everything - Quest Delay and Timing Control

+Trade and Barter

+VioLens - A Killmove Mod

----------------------- WORLD -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------- ENVIRONMENT ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+True Storms - Thunder and Rain Redone v1.5

+Moon Glow

+No stretching

+Wet and Cold

+Wonders of Weather

+Vividian - Weather and Lighting Enhancement - 7

----------------------- MODELS and TEXTURES ------------------------------------------------------------------------

+Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack

+High-Res Dartwing (Dragonfly) Texture

+Ruins Clutter Improved

+Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB

+Skyrim Subsurface Scattering Patch for ENB

+Static Mesh Improvement Mod

+Animated Clutter

+Blowing in the Wind

+Wiseman303's Flora Fixes

+Talos Shrine Redone

+Realistic Boat Bobbing

+Barenziah's Glory

+Gemling Queen Jewelry

+Gemling Queen Dragon Claws

+PondFish and Salmon Replacer - texture

+Wiseman303's Critter Fixes

+EotW Dawnguard DLC Textures Remastered

+Lepidoptera Of Skyrim

+TreesHD_Skyrim_Variation

+Deathbell HD - All-New Textures (2K-1K)

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors

+aMidianBorn imperial light and studded

+aMidianBorn stormcloak officer armour

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Uniques

+aMidianBorn Blade of Woe

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Creatures

+aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Dragonborn DLC

+Dragonborn Mages Robes Retexture Pack

+Dragon Masks Retextured

+EotW Mage Robes of Skyrim

+Nightingale Prime HD

+Spellbreaker Oblivionized retexture in HD

+Thieves Guild Armor_Denim Style HQ and Logo SoA

+Skyrim 2015 Shaders by Pfuscher - Vampire Male

+TDN Vampire Armor Retexture

+DSR-VanillaMeshes

+SkyforgeWeaponsShields

+Ultimate Spinning Arrows

+LeanWolf's Better-Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer

+Misc Spinning Arrows

+JaySuS Swords

+Dual Sheath Redux for JaySuS Swords

+Dawnguard Dawnbreaker

+Unique Uniques

+Warmonger Armory

+White Phial Replacer

+Winter Is Coming - Cloaks

+Better Circlets HQ V1o1

+Deadly Spell Impacts

+LeanWolfs Improved Enchanter Candle Meshes

+Horncandles

+HQ Paper

+Finer Dust

+Magic Runes HD

+Realistic HD Baskets

+Realistic HD Food

+Realistic HD PickAxe

+Realistic HD Woodcutter's Axe

+Realistic HD Woodcutters Axe - campfire

+Realistic Smoke and Embers

+Retexture for Soup

+Septim HD

+Skyrim Performance PLUS

+Skyrim Realistic Texture Overhaul dragons 4-8K

+BLOODSTONE CHALICE REBORN

+DOWNPOUR

+EASIER LOCKPICKING - Without Cheating - Nordic Retexture

+ETHEREAL CLOUDS

+MAPS

+PELTAPALOOZA - Pelts of Skyrim Expansion

+RUGNAROK

+RUSTIC ALCHEMY and ENCHANTING TABLES

+RUSTIC CHILDREN

+RUSTIC CLOTHING

+RUSTIC CLUTTER COLLECTION

+RUSTIC COOKING STATION

+RUSTIC DRAGON CORPSE

+RUSTIC ELDERSCROLL

+RUSTIC ELDERSCROLL - ELDERSCROLL FX

+RUSTIC FORSWORN

+RUSTIC MONUMENTS AND TOMBSTONES

+RUSTIC NORDIC MURALS

+RUSTIC OVEN - Hearthfires

+RUSTIC POTIONS and POISONS

+RUSTIC SOULGEMS

+RUSTIC STANDING STONES

+RUSTIC WINDOWS - 2K and 1K Textures

+RUSTIC WOODPOST and LIGHTPOST

+RUSTIC WORD WALLS

+Dragon.Priest.by.Kajuan

+Draugr

+Falmer.by.Kajuan

+Giant

+Gruesome Death Hound

+Hagraven.by.Kajuan

+Immersive Horses 2K Horse Textures

+Skeleton.and.Human.Bones.by.Kajuan

+Troll.by.Kajuan

+Wispmother.by.Kajuan

+High Quality LODs

+The Ruffled Feather

+The Ruffled Feather - Enhanced Distant Terrain

+HD Enhanced Terrain

+HD Stone Quarry and Clay Deposit for Hearthfire

+Quality Snow HD 4K

+Insanitys City Banner Replacer

+Weathered Road Signs

+Breezehome TNF - Elianoras Flavour

+Hold Border Banners

+No Snow Under The Roof

+Relighting Skyrim - ELFX

+Enhanced Lights and FX

+RUSTIC MONUMENTS AND TOMBSTONES - ELFX

+Embers HD

+Embers HD - Forges Add-On

+Embers HD - Lava Crater Add-On

+Embers HD - Fireplaces Add-On

+Ultimate HD Fire Effects

+Embers HD - Ultimate HD Fire Effects compatibility patch

+New Thinner Torch

+Ultimate HD Torch

+Realistic Water Two Merged

+BlacksmithWaterFix

+STEP Weather Fixes Rev1

+WeatherFixes Sun SunGlare textures

+ELE - Lite

+Paper World Map

----------------------- CHARACTERS -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

----------------------- BEASTS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+Mighty Beasts - Werewolf

+Mighty Beasts - Vampire Lord

+UniqueHuskies

----------------------- RACES ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+Custom Races

+SkySight Skins - Ultra HD Male Textures and Real Feet Meshes (2K1K LOW)

----------------------- COSMETICS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+Beards

+Brows

+Cute Eyes

+Northborn Scars

+More Realistic Hair

+Superior Lore-Friendly Hair - HD textures

+RaceMenu Overlays

+Smile in HD

----------------------- NPCS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+Argonian Female Refined

+Inhabitants of Skyrim - NPC Overhaul

+The Ordinary Women

+Bijin Faces

+BrutishNPC

+Catlike Khajiit

+RS Children Overhaul

+BodySlide and Outfit Studio

+HDT Bounce and Jiggles UNP

+Female UNPB Body

+Female New Textures - Bijin and Ordinary included

+Eyes Glitch Fix

+Invisibility and Underwater Eyes Mesh Fix

+Female Blades Light Armor

+UNPB armors

----------------------- ANIMATIONS -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+1st Person Greatsword idle animation fix

+360 Walk and Run Plus

+Female Facial Animation

+Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS

+Horses Revamped - Animations

+D13 Faster GET UP STAND UP animation vanilla friendly

+DSAMG - Ritual Spell with kneeling - Dragonborn

+Immersive Animations

+NoMaaM Breathing Idles BBB

+Realistic Ragdolls and Force

+UNP BLESSED BODY- UNPB REDUX PROJECT

+WWLMG - Word Wall Learning More Glorious

+XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended

+YY Anim Replacer - Natural Jump

----------------------- AI -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+Better Stealth AI for Followers - No Torch while Sneaking

+Dynamic Follower Dialogue - DFD

+Follower Commentary Overhaul - FCO

+Followers Share Knowledge - a player perk mod

+Housecarl sleeps in my bed

+Immersive Citizens - AI Overhaul

----------------------- AUDIO ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim 2

+Soultrap Sound Edit - Calm Wind

+Thundering

----------------------- UTILITIES ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+ASIS

+ASIS Improved INI Files

+Dynamic Distant Objects LOD - DynDOLOD

+Jaxonz Console Plugin

+JContainers

+PapyrusUtil - Modders Scripting Utility Functions

+TES5LODGen

----------------------- PATCHES ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+Bashed Patch

+EFF - disable inventory

+Patches

+Wet And Cold Patch for EFF

----------------------- OTHERS ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

+FNIS Generated Files

 

If it helps, these are my PC specs:

Intel i5 - 4670k (stock clock)

16gb ram

Nvidia GTX980 Strix

Windows 10

Windows and Skirim are running on a SSD (Kingston HyperX Fury)

 

And I'm Using ModOrganizer

Edited March 18, 2016 by Hackfield

[Astakos]

I see that you are using crash fixes...what if you deactivate it and try again?

Also, if using latest ENB/ENBoost's threaded options try to put them both to 0 and see if that fixes anything.

 

TBH, I have never encountered an "orphan" occlusion plane in the specific exterior area (nor that i have encountered anywhere else) and by looking at your load order I really cannot see (from the most part of it) anything wrong or at least weird. Ofc I do not know what is included in your MergedPlugins.esp but I ma sure that you have checked already.

 

Also, did you recently updated any mod that may have outdated patches?

 

I do not think that this is a texture problem...perhaps an invalid mesh (but I think you would CTD then) but for sure what you are describing seems like an "abandoned" exterior occlusion plane.

Did you updated any meshes that have to do with that area?

 

Just thinking out loud here Hackfield nad sorry that i cannot be of any better assistance...! 

[Hackfield]

I see that you are using crash fixes...what if you deactivate it and try again?

Also, if using latest ENB/ENBoost's threaded options try to put them both to 0 and see if that fixes anything.

 

TBH, I have never encountered an "orphan" occlusion plane in the specific exterior area (nor that i have encountered anywhere else) and by looking at your load order I really cannot see (from the most part of it) anything wrong or at least weird. Ofc I do not know what is included in your MergedPlugins.esp but I ma sure that you have checked already.

 

Also, did you recently updated any mod that may have outdated patches?

 

I do not think that this is a texture problem...perhaps an invalid mesh (but I think you would CTD then) but for sure what you are describing seems like an "abandoned" exterior occlusion plane.

Did you updated any meshes that have to do with that area?

 

Just thinking out loud here Hackfield nad sorry that i cannot be of any better assistance...! 

Unfortunately deactivating crash fixes didn't change anything.

 

And I have Enboost threaded options disabled (set to 0).

 

As for the MergedPlugins.esp, it's a merge of several minor plugins like realistic ragdoll force, no spinning death animation, werewolf bleed out, grass on steroids, gamwich's rustic soulgem plugin, helmetless warrior perks, mighty beasts plugin, etc. i.e. a bunch of minor plugins/edits, no cells nor worldspaces edits there.

 

Mmm, last thing I've updated was ELFX and Realistic Boat Boobing, but deactivating ELFX didn't make any difference and I don't think RBB does any change inside Whiterun :(

 

I'm starting to think is just that zone that has a lot of thing pulling down the fps :(

 

Anyway thanks for the help, I'll try removing some few mods and if I find a culprit, I'll let you know.

[darkside]

I found Whiterun market a performance heavy area due to lots of NPC. I saw you use Ordinary Women, Bijin mods. These can be performance heavy.

[Hackfield]

Hi Hackfield,

 

I do not know if you have solved your framerate issue, but...as a last resort you can try the XPMSE Skeleton for RSChildren mod since you are using both XPMSE and RS Children.

 

It resolves a few FPS problem around kids especially if using HDT; so perhaps this will help you a bit since the area that you are suffering these FPS drops is some sort of "kids-gathering" area.

 

Thanks!

Hi, thanks, I thought I had it installed, apparently I didn't. I'll try that tonight.

 

Also, I've been testing disabling mods one by one (until I almost had all mods disabled) and I think I've found the problem (or at least part of it).

 

It is indeed related to HDT, apparently I have a lot of HDT enabled clothes. disabling HDT physics extension helped a lot, but I've also disabled major mods like CACO, Campfire, Frostfall, Wet and Cold and Wonders of Weather.

 

So I guess it wasn't a faulty mod per se, but a conjuction of several heavy mods affecting that area.

 

I'll do more testing tonight and report back.

Edited March 28, 2016 by Hackfield

[Pretendeavor]

I've also decided to try that mod you mentioned Astakos, but even with the reduced head size option the heads of many kids seem too large. Did you solve this in some way or do you just deal with it? =p Or maybe it's just me and they aren't that much larger than before..

Edited March 28, 2016 by Pretendeavor

[Astakos]

TBH I have not noticed any large heads on the kids I have come across so far.

Mind you I am not using any kids playable race if that makes any difference.

 

So yeah...I am a bit stumbled on what to say right now...will keep on looking on kids and see if I spot anything "weird".

[Pretendeavor]

Perhaps it's just because I read about it being an issue and I never really looked at head to body ratios before.. I'm also not using a playable kids race. I should probably do some comparison shots to see if it's actually an issue but I'm very lazy when it comes to that =p

[Hackfield]

Hi Hackfield,

 

I do not know if you have solved your framerate issue, but...as a last resort you can try the XPMSE Skeleton for RSChildren mod since you are using both XPMSE and RS Children.

 

It resolves a few FPS problem around kids especially if using HDT; so perhaps this will help you a bit since the area that you are suffering these FPS drops is some sort of "kids-gathering" area.

 

Thanks!

 

Damn! It was that! Thanks a lot Astakos! 

 

Stupid and cute brats, I'm almost bald because of them! 

 

Of course, before, when I uninstalled HDT PE, I had also uninstalled XPMSE. Apparently, the problem is when XPMSE's script can't find the HDT nodes in the skeletons, in this case, children's. Installing the XPMSE for RS Children solved the problem.

 

Argh, unbelievable, now I need another mod in my load order....*installs non-essential children*

[darkside]

Should this mod be in SRLE guide?

[Astakos]

 

Damn! It was that! Thanks a lot Astakos! 

 

Stupid and cute brats, I'm almost bald because of them! 

 

Of course, before, when I uninstalled HDT PE, I had also uninstalled XPMSE. Apparently, the problem is when XPMSE's script can't find the HDT nodes in the skeletons, in this case, children's. Installing the XPMSE for RS Children solved the problem.

 

Argh, unbelievable, now I need another mod in my load order....*installs non-essential children*

 

Great mate! 

Happy your issue is gone!