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Wet and Cold (by isoku)


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Lawsuit on what basis? SKSE is under the MIT license. The only restriction is that you can't remove the license notice. Even if it were under the GPL, selling derivatives of it would still be completely acceptable. I'm more curious about the various mod resources included with Wet & Cold. Hopefully he secured permission from the creators of those resources prior to selling the mod. (The cloaks, for example).

 

 

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to the following conditions:

 

The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.

 

 

On a pragmatic note, what about Wet & Cold - Ashes? Isoku's 2.0 changelog doesn't seem to mention it, so presumably the version on the Nexus remains the most current version.

You are right it seems.  Thanks for posting that.

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LOL - I'm reading all the comments for W&C on the Steam Workshop and also the Nexus mod page.  Isoku went from universally beloved mod author to possibly the most hated mod author of all time overnight - crazy.

 

Everyone's posting this:

 

Removed by moderator. Keep it PG13 at least, please.

 

 

LMAO

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LOL - I'm reading all the comments for W&C on the Steam Workshop and also the Nexus mod page.  Isoku went from beloved mod author to possibly the most hated mod author of all time overnight - crazy.

Isoku's not the only big mod author transitioning. Chesko and Arthmoor also have paywall mods.

 

Isoku sought out the proper permissions.

 

Thanks for clarifying!

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Sounds like Chesko did it the right way.  Apparently people really didn't respect the way Isoku chose to do it without warning and in a misleading way.  Getting people worked up for a long time, and then finally only at the time of release going and putting it up on Steam Workshop for $5.  That was Isoku's "main" mistake I think.

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However, those using the new Holidays mod can't use the old Wet and Cold mod

Why not?  I thought the new Holidays mod was independent of Wet and Cold altogether.

 

BTW - for discussions about buying from the Steam Workshop, check out this thread I started precisely for such discussion:

 

https://forum.step-project.com/topic/7717-buying-from-the-steam-workshop/

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On a pragmatic note, what about Wet & Cold - Ashes? Isoku's 2.0 changelog doesn't seem to mention it, so presumably the version on the Nexus remains the most current version.

I forgot to address this - Isoku had previously stated that W&C v2 would include the Ashes addon by default (so it's incorporated right into W&C v2).

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I'm completely disgusted by the comments from users regarding Isoku's actions.  Could Isoku have handled this better, probably, but the sort of hate and vitriol he's received for his decision is outright shameful.  In my opinion, that sort of attitude from users is what will kill modding.  Frankly, from my experience, it feels like users are getting increasingly ungrateful and demanding.  If this continues to be the attitude modders encounter when they release free content, then hell yes, they're going to want to be paid in order to put up with that crap.  If I received the sort of response that Isoku has, I'd be sorely tempted to just pull all my mods and leave modding, or at least pull all of the free content since no one seems to appreciate it anyway. 

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Personally, my biggest issue with what Isoku (and other authors) did by putting their pay stuff up on the Steam Workshop is that they are supporting a movement by these big companies to start rip-off profiteering the modding community.  Modders get 25%, they get 75%.  They (the companies) already got their money when they sold the game and the modding community actually already helped them to sell more copies by vastly prolonging the life of the game.  The original unmodded game is buggy as hell.  People (modders) made it better for free.  Now they want to profit off the modders - freaking rip them a new one (one that craps $$$ for them), when the modders already made them more money than they would have even gotten had the modders (and the modding community) not been there.  I imagine a lot of people see elements of this going on.  Isoku's (in particular) handling of the situation unfortunately made him the "prime co-conspiring modder (so-to-speak)" in the eyes of much of the community.  I'm also sure that others are just being brats and they are raging because they didn't get what they want.  But I see all that going on...

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As I mentioned in the thread in the Banter Inn, Bethesda is well within their rights to do this because they own any content produced by the authors, not the authors themselves. All that is happening is Bethesda/Valve is allowing authors to have a little slice of it. Bethesda is well within their rights to just take all the mods themselves and sell them and give the authors nothing!

 

Isoku may have handled it better, but what he is doing is just fine. He has provided some great mods and if he gains something from it, all the best to him.

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Personally, my biggest issue with what Isoku (and other authors) did by putting their pay stuff up on the Steam Workshop is that they are supporting a movement by these big companies to start rip-off profiting the modding community.  Modders get 25%, they get 75%.  They (the companies) already got their money when they sold the game and the modding community actually already helped them to sell more copies by vastly prolonging the life of the game.  The original unmodded game is buggy as hell.  People (modders) made it better for free.  Now they want to profit off the modders - freaking rip them a new one (one that craps $$$ for them), when the modders already made them more money than they would have even gotten had the modders (and the modding community) not been there.  I imagine a lot of people see elements of this going on.  Isoku's (in particular) handling of the situation unfortunately made him the "prime co-conspiring modder (so-to-speak)" in the eyes of the community.  I'm also sure that others are just being brats and they are raging because they didn't get what they want.  But I see all that going on...

Game devs probably get much less than 25% for their work. Do you think the game devs for GTAV got 25% of the total revenue? That would be like $750 million+ dollars, probably going to be about $1 billion soon enough.

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