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Hey SparrowPrince. I was waiting to see how long it took for some dumb*ss would post a stupid topic like this. Why don't you leave politics out of the STEP forums and worry about the affairs in your own country. You are really not as funny as you think you are. Actually if it came down to it Americans would stomp the British into the ground.

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I do not have any enthusiasm for politics in general but I also respect others rights to speak freely.

Ironically though the word trump in british slang is very infrequently used now but it shall ever remain at least in my part of the country anyway, I can't speak for the whole country though.

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His family name used to be Drumpf. The change (albeit way before he was born) just epitomizes a part of his person so perfectly to me, that I won't even bother to explain the allusion.

 

I wish you guys the best of luck for the next four years, but many people in my country are frightened, not to mention baffled by this election. This on both sides of a normally very divided aisle (do keep in mind that we have a much more left-oriented spectrum in general though). On a side note, our Foreign Minister, who has previously had a high-paying job in a prestige consulting firm, smirked about "the people" rebelling against "the elite". The irony was so blatantly apparent that I cringed.

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Our candidates run for president like it's the position of emperor. Then they get elected and realize that it's actually the job of congress to do most the things they said they'd do. You get to do about 2-3 major things per term and that is it.

 

  I know we don't agree on everything, but people seem to be getting sick of left-wing politics lately. They vote for what they vote for because they are sick of seeing next to no results for themselves or their family. That's really what it is about. It's not all racism and bigotry, it's just a lot of people want to see something actually affect them in a positive manner for once; if that means taking a risk, then you can only hope it eventually pays off.

Pretty much. Same thing happened with Brexit where a bunch of people in England felt that they weren't at home in their own country. Lots of people feel that way in the Heartland and they turned out to vote in really high numbers.

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To me, this becomes kinda like shooting yourself in the foot with a shotgun because you don't like your job. Usually you would try finding a new job first. Translating the parable goes something like this: if the things we have tried don't work, why should that suddenly make us believe in things that have no real reason to work at all. The recent resurgence of right-wing populism seems less about providing a new solution, and more about giving people an excuse to keep believing in a dream that has long since met the stonewall called reality. Trickle down economics is a fantasy. Running the government "like a business" is even more exploitable than the current system, but these fantasies keep selling, and the fact that we have system which needs agreement to move forward, means that the people touting these antiquated ideals have the power to hold everyone else back. In Norway we have people making tons of money on housing refugees. They become millionaires on our tax money, payed mostly by the middle class, by making a "business" out of solidarity. And what are their motivations when they run with a profit? Do you think they look into what they could do better for the people who have had their homes bombed to pieces, and are now stuffed into old hotel rooms while we process their lives in paper? Not for a second! They put all that profit in their pockets. Sure there might have been waste when we did this through our government, but at least that wasn't money heading into the already stuffed pockets of an economical class that gets tax cuts every year by our right-wing government who apparently are looking out for the interests of "common folk".

 

Your two party system has stagnated though, and it's difficult to believe in that system, I understand that. I'm very glad I didn't have to make that choice the last time I went to the polls. It could not have been easy at all. This is partly a weakness with your election system too. CGP Grey did a pretty good video on the consequences of FPTP voting, if you're interested. 

 

That being said, you haven't really had left-wing politics for many, many years though. Even the Democratic Party is rather centrist in comparison with most left-wing parties in Europe. Especially the "New Democrat" movement, whose similar (more centre-oriented) ideas have failed miserably in Great Britain ("New Labour"). 

 

@EssArrBee: I would say Brexit was a result of a lot more factors, including a lot of misleading information from the pro-Brexit side. Take their big busses with the money they would make from exiting the Union, for example, which was straight up a lie. Not to mention how the other countries than England voted rather overwhelmingly to stay.

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What I'm saying is just that it seems like a very poor solution to the problem of the "status quo". Theoretically you might get off your job because you shot yourself in the foot with a shotgun, but people don't do that because it is a very stupid solution, even if it's hard finding new employment. 

 

This strange idea that someone completely uninitiated who can't even answer on the exact details of his own policies (beyond catchphrase: "nobody can fix it but me") should be considered a better candidate than anyone else just doesn't make sense to me. If you needed a new player for your losing sports team, you wouldn't pick someone who has never played the sport before just because your previous picks didn't work out. 

 

Anyways, I don't think it's ignorance that you didn't get the parable, so no need to excuse that. Can't remember what happened last time to be honest. Good night.

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