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So unlike what I expected, as soon as a activate a 144th plugin (any plugin) i begin to get major problems. I cant use the escape key, I get missing mesh warnings on npc weapons and armors, bullet holes from IMPACT become grey squares, blood splatters become red squares, and all items in the inventory become blue/grey squares. I have no Idea why this is happening, I still have 100 to go before im supposed to hit the mod limit. And its not like a normal limit, instead the game just begins to break down instead of instantly crashing. I've only found 1 forum post on google that talked about this problem and they didnt have a solution other that massive merging-https://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/137862-mod-limit/

I got as far as the weapons section of the clear and present danger guide before hitting this, and I have no clue what to do

load order provided

 

 

 

  0  0     Fallout3.esm
  1  1     Anchorage.esm
  2  2     ThePitt.esm
  3  3     StreetLights.esm
  4  4     BrokenSteel.esm
  5  5     PointLookout.esm
  6  6     Zeta.esm
  7  7     Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm
  8  8     CALIBR.esm
  9  9     Advanced Recon Tech.esm
 10  a     Inventory Access.esm
 11  b     aHUD.esm
 12  c     iHUD.esm
 13  d     Point Lookout Reborn.esm
 14  e     ArefuExpandedByAzar.esm
 15  f     DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
 16 10     AWorldOfPainFO3.esm
 17 11     Mothership Crew.esm
 18 12     Vault 101 Revisited.esm
 19 13     RiversideCafe.esm
 20 14     CRAFT.esm
 21 15     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
 22 16     Project Beauty.esm
 23 17     EVE.esm
 24 18     Detect Traps.esm
 25 19     GeorgetownExpansion.esm
 26 1a     tubrrCompound.esm
 27 1b     Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm
 28 1c     Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm
 29 1d     DarNifiedUIF3.esp
 30 1e     FO3LODGen.esp
 31 1f     Advanced Recon Tech - Detect Traps.esp
 32 20     Detect Traps - DLC.esp
 33 21     Detect Traps - Perk.esp
 34 22     MetroCars.esp
 35 23     DC Moods.esp
 36 24     FortIndependenceRedesigned.esp
 37 25     ArlingtonRestoration.esp
 38 26     tubRRCompound.esp
 39 27     DCStreet - BS.esp
 40 28     Realistic Interior Lighting.esp
 41 29     MoreMapMarkers.esp
 42 2a     Rivet City Realignment.esp
 43 2b     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp
 44 2c     Temple of the Union Overhaul.esp
 45 2d     The Mantis Imperative - Jello.esp
 46 2e     HeirApparent.esp
 47 2f     Another Interior Mod.esp
 48 30     Laurens_Bathroom_poetry_V1.esp
 49 31     The Mantis Imperative - Mantis.esp
 50 32     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
 51 33     DCInt_ARoomWithAView.esp
 52 34     PLweightadjust.esp
 53 35     ChopShopModv13.esp
 54 36     The  Pitt Moods.esp
           DIFF WMK.esp
 55 37     DIFF.esp
 56 38     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
 57 39     PointLookout Moods.esp
 58 3a     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
 59 3b     lexx_brahmin-variant-Fo3.esp
 60 3c     NotSoFast.esp
 61 3d     BaileysCrossingMetro.esp
 62 3e     K9BreedsMoreDogs.esp
 63 3f     UrgeWashingtonBoS.esp
 64 40     Advanced Recon Gear.esp
 65 41     Detect Traps - The Traponator 4000.esp
 66 42     IMPACT.esp
 67 43     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 68 44     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp
 69 45     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
 70 46     Powered Power Armor.esp
 71 47     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
 72 48     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
 73 49     Advanced Recon Tech FWE.esp
 74 4a     Advanced Recon Tech.esp
 75 4b     Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp
 76 4c     DynamicCrosshair.esp
 77 4d     Stimpak Counter.esp
 78 4e     PPA - Broken Steel.esp
 79 4f     PPA - Operation Anchorage.esp
 80 50     PPA - The Pitt.esp
 81 51     JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
 82 52     JIP Selective-Fire.esp
 83 53     JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
 84 54     YearlingBooks.esp
 85 55     Confessor Cromwell has a Break_EV.esp
           WeaponModKits - FWE Talon Loot Crash Fix.esp
 86 56     Fo3HirezdMinigun.esp
 87 57     The Mantis Imperative - Nasty Zeta No Scaling.esp
 88 58     PPA - FWE.esp
 89 59     BauPetSupplies.esp
 90 5a     Museum.esp
 91 5b     PotomacSteamworks.esp
 92 5c     CanterburyCommonsInteriors.esp
 93 5d     Monticello Park.esp
 94 5e     Radio Ownership Fix Fixed.esp
 95 5f     AutoGates.esp
 96 60     Boulevard of Broken Dreams.esp
 97 61     IntoTheDeepWoods.esp
 98 62     Existence 2.0.esp
 99 63     House.esp
100 64     RockopolisRebuilt.esp
101 65     FWEAlienWorkBenchFix.esp
102 66     Safe - Safe Regulator HQ.esp
103 67     CouncilSeatFix.esp
104 68     ArefuExpandedByAzar-Radio.esp
105 69     HZSmoothLight - FO3.esp
106 6a     megalight.esp
107 6b     Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp
108 6c     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Green Tint Remover.esp
109 6d     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Dynamic Sneak Bonus.esp
110 6e     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Rain.esp
111 6f     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Sandstorms.esp
112 70     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Weather Machine (Start Game Added).esp
113 71     krzymar-MoonSize_120%.esp
114 72     MTCBigTownRobotFix.esp
115 73     Purity Crash Fix.esp
116 74     Better RC Church.esp
           Mart's Mutant Mod - DC Interiors.esp
117 75     DCRWAV-FWE Patch.esp
118 76     MegatonClinicRefurb.esp
119 77     Flora Overhaul.esp
120 78     DIM TYPE3clothesRETAIL.esp
121 79     K9Breeds.esp
122 7a     K9BreedsPatchDLCPitt.esp
123 7b     FeralGhoulTest.esp
           GlowingGhouls-MMM.esp
124 7c     AnimatedFanV2f3.esp
125 7d     RagdollOverhaulFo3.esp
126 7e     PPA - Mothership Zeta.esp
127 7f     PLFewerItems.esp
128 80     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main + DLC Merged.esp
129 81     Lookout Outfits.esp
130 82     T3_leather armors.esp
131 83     Tattered_suits.esp
132 84     Freebooter_Armor.esp
133 85     FO3NeckChains.esp
134 86     bzFatigues.esp
135 87     bzJocks.esp
136 88     Scout Outfits.esp
137 89     Merc Adventurer Armor - eng.esp
138 8a     Merc Adventurer Armor - rus.esp
139 8b     Real Radiation Suit FO3.esp

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Okay, heres what LOOT says. Note I'm not finished with the guide, so it ends near the end of the weapons section. Also, I'll be trying the FWE recommended order shortly

 

 

 

 

  0  0     Fallout3.esm
  1  1     Anchorage.esm
  2  2     ThePitt.esm
  3  3     StreetLights.esm
  4  4     BrokenSteel.esm
  5  5     PointLookout.esm
  6  6     Zeta.esm
  7  7     Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm
  8  8     Advanced Recon Tech.esm
  9  9     Inventory Access.esm
 10  a     aHUD.esm
 11  b     iHUD.esm
 12  c     Point Lookout Reborn.esm
 13  d     ArefuExpandedByAzar.esm
 14  e     DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
 15  f     AWorldOfPainFO3.esm
 16 10     Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm
 17 11     CALIBR.esm
 18 12     20th Century Weapons.esm
 19 13     Mothership Crew.esm
 20 14     Vault 101 Revisited.esm
 21 15     RiversideCafe.esm
 22 16     CRAFT.esm
 23 17     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
 24 18     Project Beauty.esm
 25 19     EVE.esm
 26 1a     Detect Traps.esm
 27 1b     GeorgetownExpansion.esm
 28 1c     RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm
 29 1d     Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm
 30 1e     tubrrCompound.esm
 31 1f     xCALIBR.esm
 32 20     DarNifiedUIF3.esp
 33 21     FO3LODGen.esp
 34 22     Advanced Recon Tech - Detect Traps.esp
 35 23     Detect Traps - DLC.esp
 36 24     Detect Traps - Perk.esp
 37 25     MetroCars.esp
 38 26     DC Moods.esp
 39 27     FortIndependenceRedesigned.esp
 40 28     ArlingtonRestoration.esp
 41 29     tubRRCompound.esp
 42 2a     DCStreet - BS.esp
 43 2b     WeaponModKits.esp
 44 2c     WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp
 45 2d     WMK Uniques for FWE_EVE Addon.esp
 46 2e     RH_WMK_Bridge.esp
 47 2f     WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp
 48 30     Realistic Interior Lighting.esp
 49 31     MoreMapMarkers.esp
 50 32     Rivet City Realignment.esp
 51 33     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp
 52 34     Temple of the Union Overhaul.esp
 53 35     The Mantis Imperative - Jello.esp
 54 36     HeirApparent.esp
 55 37     Another Interior Mod.esp
 56 38     Laurens_Bathroom_poetry_V1.esp
 57 39     PointLookout Moods.esp
 58 3a     The Mantis Imperative - Mantis.esp
 59 3b     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
 60 3c     DCInt_ARoomWithAView.esp
 61 3d     The  Pitt Moods.esp
 62 3e     WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp
 63 3f     WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp
 64 40     WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp
 65 41     WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp
 66 42     DIFF WMK.esp
 67 43     DIFF.esp
 68 44     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
 69 45     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
 70 46     Blackened RH + FWE + EVE.esp
 71 47     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
 72 48     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
 73 49     Blackened FWE + EVE + Project Beauty.esp
 74 4a     lexx_brahmin-variant-Fo3.esp
 75 4b     PLweightadjust.esp
 76 4c     ChopShopModv13.esp
 77 4d     NotSoFast.esp
 78 4e     BaileysCrossingMetro.esp
 79 4f     K9BreedsMoreDogs.esp
 80 50     UrgeWashingtonBoS.esp
 81 51     Dragonskin Tactical Outfit.esp
 82 52     Advanced Recon Gear.esp
 83 53     Detect Traps - The Traponator 4000.esp
 84 54     UniqueWeaponsRetextured.esp
 85 55     UniqueWeaponsRetextured_FWE.esp
 86 56     IMPACT.esp
 87 57     dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
 88 58     Powered Power Armor.esp
 89 59     Advanced Recon Tech FWE.esp
 90 5a     Advanced Recon Tech.esp
 91 5b     Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp
 92 5c     DynamicCrosshair.esp
 93 5d     Stimpak Counter.esp
 94 5e     PPA - Broken Steel.esp
 95 5f     PPA - Operation Anchorage.esp
 96 60     PPA - The Pitt.esp
 97 61     JIP Realistic Weapon Overheating.esp
 98 62     JIP Selective-Fire.esp
 99 63     JIP Companions Command & Control.esp
100 64     YearlingBooks.esp
101 65     Confessor Cromwell has a Break_EV.esp
102 66     WeaponModKits - FWE Talon Loot Crash Fix.esp
103 67     Fo3HirezdMinigun.esp
104 68     The Mantis Imperative - Nasty Zeta No Scaling.esp
105 69     PPA - FWE.esp
106 6a     BauPetSupplies.esp
107 6b     Museum.esp
108 6c     PotomacSteamworks.esp
109 6d     CanterburyCommonsInteriors.esp
110 6e     Monticello Park.esp
111 6f     Radio Ownership Fix Fixed.esp
112 70     AutoGates.esp
113 71     Boulevard of Broken Dreams.esp
114 72     ZL-SVD-CALIBR.esp
115 73     IntoTheDeepWoods.esp
116 74     Existence 2.0.esp
117 75     House.esp
118 76     Scout Outfits.esp
119 77     RockopolisRebuilt.esp
120 78     FWEAlienWorkBenchFix.esp
121 79     Safe - Safe Regulator HQ.esp
122 7a     CouncilSeatFix.esp
123 7b     ArefuExpandedByAzar-Radio.esp
124 7c     HZSmoothLight - FO3.esp
125 7d     megalight.esp
126 7e     Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp
127 7f     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Green Tint Remover.esp
128 80     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Dynamic Sneak Bonus.esp
129 81     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Rain.esp
130 82     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Sandstorms.esp
131 83     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Weather Machine (Start Game Added).esp
132 84     krzymar-MoonSize_120%.esp
133 85     Lookout Outfits.esp
134 86     Tattered_suits.esp
135 87     MTCBigTownRobotFix.esp
136 88     Purity Crash Fix.esp
137 89     Better RC Church.esp
138 8a     Mart's Mutant Mod - DC Interiors.esp
139 8b     DCRWAV-FWE Patch.esp
140 8c     MegatonClinicRefurb.esp
141 8d     Flora Overhaul.esp
142 8e     Freebooter_Armor.esp
143 8f     DIM TYPE3clothesRETAIL.esp
144 90     K9Breeds.esp
145 91     K9BreedsPatchDLCPitt.esp
146 92     FeralGhoulTest.esp
147 93     GlowingGhouls-MMM.esp
148 94     AnimatedFanV2f3.esp
149 95     RagdollOverhaulFo3.esp
150 96     T3_leather armors.esp
151 97     FO3NeckChains.esp
152 98     bzFatigues.esp
153 99     bzJocks.esp
154 9a     Merc Adventurer Armor - eng.esp
155 9b     Merc Adventurer Armor - rus.esp
156 9c     Real Radiation Suit FO3.esp
157 9d     WinterizedT51bDX.esp
158 9e     BornAgain Outcast v3.esp
159 9f     DragonskinBonusPack.esp
160 a0     xCALIBR_20CW_v5.12.esp
161 a1     rmSaveManager.esp
162 a2     Tribal_DX.esp
163 a3     FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
164 a4     Deathclaw Gauntlet Man Opener Armor Piercing Restored.esp
165 a5     Double barreled shotgun fix.esp
166 a6     PPA - Mothership Zeta.esp
167 a7     PLFewerItems.esp
168 a8     ZL-MP5 Pack.esp
169 a9     Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main + DLC Merged.esp
170 aa     20th Century Weapons Non-Changing Weapon Conditions.esp
171 ab     PlasmaRifleAwesomefiedWMK.esp
172 ac     EVE Grenade Explosion.esp
173 ad     EVE Grenade - FWE Patch.esp
174 ae     Millenia_AKS74U.esp
175 af     ZL-ACR.esp
176 b0     ACRForFWE.esp
177 b1     FO3_WRP.esp
178 b2     32S&W.esp
179 b3     Millenia_CombatShotgun_replacer.esp
180 b4     Millenia_C96_replacer.esp
181 b5     UniqueWeaponsRetexturedPITT.esp
182 b6     UniqueWeaponsRetexturedPITT_FWE.esp
183 b7     FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp
184 b8     RH_FWE_Bridge.esp

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I use NVAC, Darnified UI, UIO and (until the Fall Creators Update of Win 10) FSR. I don't have a plugin limit problem. For those that do have this problem the Merge Plugins utility can be used to reduce the number of plugins. The FO3 guide will add some material on merging including recommendations on what to merge.

 

By the way, proper use of the forums is to post a problem or issue in only one thread. For your problem this is the proper place. The General Feedback thread is about questions and issues with the guide, not with FO3 itself or mods unless there are issues with the guide material on these.

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Ok, its definitley not Darnified or UIO, I disabled those and made 200 copy's of a water bottle esp, and the system crashes without NVAC or Fallout Stutter Remover, SO I guess It's inherent to the system. Might be that I;m not running in comparability mode, but it crashes when I turn that on. I'm probably going to need to merge 190ish isp's (around how many are in the clear and present danger guide) to below 140.


Thanks for the reply, Kelmych, and yeah, while merging would solve the problem, I;m going to poke around and see if I can find the root cause

edit- its not combatability modes


its not FOSE

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Interestingly, when I had did a clean install and didn’t use the games for windows live disabler, it didn’t have a problem getting past the 200 dummy esps I made, but when I restored my load order and ugh the restore backup option on mod organizer, it came back

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Fixed by disabling options folder in darnified and darnified for FWE, now crashing at new game, but im pretty sure that has something to do with the completed lack of menu options (they’re still there, just only get the outline box), will report back after reinstalling, (I’m pretty sure I caused the missing text thing)

140 mod limit is still out there , btw I tried the games for windows live again and didn’t hide the live button and it worked. I think it has something to do with things that change the main menu

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As mentioned in the guide, you need to be very careful whenever changing which mods are active in the initial UI section, especially Darnified UI. You need to understand how UIO works if you want the menus to work properly after making changes. Darnified UI for FWE is intentionally the last UI mod that changes Menus\main\hud_main_menu.xml before UIO is installed.

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Deleted mod organizer INIs, made new ones, got font and game laods

Any reported bugs of the fathers mdoel in the birth cutscene moving weirdly?

I didnt change what was active, I disabled the start menu xml’s in the darnified mods

Got a freeze when exiting alternate start

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Well hole ****, fixed the 140 mod problem. Completely reinstalled UIO, Darnified, and darnified FWE, deleted mod organizer INIs, fresh fallout install, modified INIs to work with darnified and put in profile folder, and it works, no 140 mod or 160 mod problem. Btw, what kind of mod would cause my pistol reload to be all wonky (empty cartridge goes through head), could be related to father animation bug in birth scene plus death animation where camera goes inside body

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