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#31 Neovalen

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:20 PM

OK, got further info for you:

The following in the spoiler is outdated information:


UPDATE:

Ok, now I pinpointed the issue and I know why nobody reported it.
The bug appears, if you equip 2 iron swords, then equip a iron war axe and then unsheath your weapons. If you haven't had the 2 iron swords equipped before, everything works perfectly fine.
If you want to, go ahead and fix it, but honestly, this is a really minor issue. From me this mod gets a go.
UPDATE2:
I could reproduce this glitch with every one-handed weapon (only iron weapons).
1. Enter combat mode(unsheathe your weapons)
2. Equip 2 times the same one-handed weapon X
3. Equip any other one-handed weapon Y in your RIGHT HAND.
4. You now have X and Y in your hands, while another X is sheathed.
Also this glitch only works when Y gets equipped in your right. If it gets equipped in your left everything works fine.


Thanks for the info. I'll look into it when I get home and release a patch if it happens to me as well.
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#32 statmonster

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:33 PM

I use ACE but not ASIS and don't think I've seen this happen to me.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:35 PM

I use ACE but not ASIS and don't think I've seen this happen to me.

If you don't mind, try it out (refer to my description above) and post your findings.
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#34 Neovalen

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:25 PM

OK, got further info for you:

The following in the spoiler is outdated information:


UPDATE:

Ok, now I pinpointed the issue and I know why nobody reported it.
The bug appears, if you equip 2 iron swords, then equip a iron war axe and then unsheath your weapons. If you haven't had the 2 iron swords equipped before, everything works perfectly fine.
If you want to, go ahead and fix it, but honestly, this is a really minor issue. From me this mod gets a go.
UPDATE2:
I could reproduce this glitch with every one-handed weapon (only iron weapons).
1. Enter combat mode(unsheathe your weapons)
2. Equip 2 times the same one-handed weapon X
3. Equip any other one-handed weapon Y in your RIGHT HAND.
4. You now have X and Y in your hands, while another X is sheathed.
Also this glitch only works when Y gets equipped in your right. If it gets equipped in your left everything works fine.

I am unable to replicate this glitch as well. I used Iron Swords and Iron War Axe same as you. I even double checked to make sure I equipped to the RIGHT hand. Maybe a wierd script conflict with one of your mods?
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#35 torminater

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 04:36 AM

Hmm, ok, I'll try to be a little more precise.

1. Unsheathe
2. Equip 2 times the same one-handed weapon X, so you are dual wielding X.
3. Equip any other one-handed weapon Y in your right hand.
4. You now have X and Y in your hands, while another X is sheathed.
5. If you don't, sheathe, and unsheathe your weapons. The 2nd X should be popping up now.


Still weird. Can't say why ACE or ASIS should conflict with this mod ...
I'll try to provide some video footage...

Video will be available here:
Still takes at least 35 minutes.

Video is available:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx2-nZYx2XE

Oh and by the way, to get rid of the extra sword, just unequip all weapons and reequip the ones you want to use.
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#36 z929669

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 12:56 PM

@torminater Could you uninstall all non-STEP mods and try to reproduce ... particularly ASIS? Thanks for posting the vid (will watch when I am not at work :P ) and for all of the detailed analysis.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 03:33 PM

@torminater

Could you uninstall all non-STEP mods and try to reproduce ... particularly ASIS?

Thanks for posting the vid (will watch when I am not at work :P ) and for all of the detailed analysis.

OK, I reproduced the glitch on a completely new game/save with STEP 2.2.4 only.

Bain Packages:


Load Order:
Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Dawnguard.esm
HearthFires.esm
Dragonborn.esm
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
SPIKE.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Brawl Bugs CE.esp
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Rainbows.esp
BWS.esp
BWS-MolagMace.esp
Clanking Armor.esp
Traps Make Noise.esp
Improved Combat Sounds v2.2.esp
randomthunder.esp
Rooster At Dawn v1.0.esp
Warmer Magic Lights v2.esp
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp
83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp
Ars Metallica.esp
Ars Metallica - Dawnguard.esp
Ars Metallica - Hearthfire.esp
Ars Metallica - Dragonborn.esp
Better Skill and Quest Books Names.esp
BirdsHFclean.esp
Birdsofskyrim.esp
BLESSINGS - Altar Descriptions.esp
Bring Out Your Dead.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern_Guards.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern_Candle_DG.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern_Caravaner.esp
ClamsDropPearls.esp
dbmisc.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
Death Cam Duration Options.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp
DungeonQuestAwareness.esp
fFastTravelSpeedMult_4.esp
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Default.esp
manny Lantern Caretakers.esp
MVABasic.esp
MVAIvarstead.esp
MVARorikstead.esp
Moss Rocks.esp
PilgrimsDelight.esp
Point The Way.esp
RabbitsPlus.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp
ShootingStars.esp
Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp
SMDropLitTorch.esp
YngolBarrowButtonFix.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Destructible_bottles.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
Chesko_LoreBasedLoadingScreens.esp
Footprints.esp
Footprints - Ash.esp
RaceMenu.esp
RaceMenuPlugin.esp
SkyUI.esp
iHUD.esp
Elemental Staves.esp
ExplosiveBoltsVisualized.esp
imp_helm.esp
imp_helm_imp.esp
imp_helm_dawn.esp
Lock Overhaul.esp
Gildergreen Regrown.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
SkyrimChimneysRW.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
SkyrimCoinReplacer.esp
Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp
Appropriately Attired Jarls Redux.esp
ORM-Arvak.esp
BetterQuestObjectives.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Dawnguard.esp
BetterQuestObjectives-Hearthfire.esp
BlockSparkles.esp
Distant DetailHF.esp
dynamic fires.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
masser Size x0.5.esp
More Salt Please.esp
More Salt Please - Dragonborn addon.esp
dD-No Twitching Dragon Death Animation.esp
NonEssentialChildren.esp
secunda Size x0.5.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
TheChoiceIsYours.esp
TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp
Thieves Guild Requirements.esp
Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.esp
AIMP - Antz in my Pantz.esp
Chesko_Step418_SN.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Reduced.esp
BFSEffects.esp
DeadlySpellImpacts.esp
Realistic crime report radius.esp
Enhanced Soul Trap.esp
Soul Gems Differ - E.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
Beards.esp
Brows.esp
Slightly Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp
SPTConsistentOlderPeople.esp
Follower Trap Safety.esp
moveitLWT.esp
Animated Weapon Enchants.esp
getSnowy.esp
WATER.esp
WATER Plants.esp
WATER DB Waves.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp <- Inactive
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

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#38 Neovalen

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 11:29 PM

Added new mesh packs for Heavy Armory, SkyRe, and Unique Uniques. Still not able to replicate the bug above, but trying hard. Never mind, I managed to find it... working on a fix. :) Have I mentioned I hate this god forsaken engine? lol it does really funky stuff doing mid battle equips like that.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:25 AM

Added new mesh packs for Heavy Armory, SkyRe, and Unique Uniques.

Still not able to replicate the bug above, but trying hard. Never mind, I managed to find it... working on a fix. :)

Have I mentioned I hate this god forsaken engine? lol it does really funky stuff doing mid battle equips like that.

At least know I know I'm not going nuts xD
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#40 Neovalen

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 01:59 AM

Added new mesh packs for Heavy Armory, SkyRe, and Unique Uniques.

Still not able to replicate the bug above, but trying hard. Never mind, I managed to find it... working on a fix. :)

Have I mentioned I hate this god forsaken engine? lol it does really funky stuff doing mid battle equips like that.

At least know I know I'm not going nuts xD

The thing is, it's only when using hotkeys. If you use inventory, it doesn't happen.

Also, note that the "bugged" blade is ACTUALLY BETHESDA'S BLADE (i.e. Right Hand)! (Not my mod) So I somehow have to figure out how to force Bethesda's Engine to do it's job... lol.

In any case, it's easy to fix (simply re-equip right hand).... will keep working on it though as it's annoying me now.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 07:25 AM


Added new mesh packs for Heavy Armory, SkyRe, and Unique Uniques.

Still not able to replicate the bug above, but trying hard. Never mind, I managed to find it... working on a fix. :)

Have I mentioned I hate this god forsaken engine? lol it does really funky stuff doing mid battle equips like that.

At least know I know I'm not going nuts xD

The thing is, it's only when using hotkeys. If you use inventory, it doesn't happen.

Also, note that the "bugged" blade is ACTUALLY BETHESDA'S BLADE (i.e. Right Hand)! (Not my mod) So I somehow have to figure out how to force Bethesda's Engine to do it's job... lol.

In any case, it's easy to fix (simply re-equip right hand).... will keep working on it though as it's annoying me now.

Yeah, I figured that, since the bug only appears in the right hand which is the default Bethesda Skyrim weapon hand since forever.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 04:58 PM

@Neovalen, I noticed that Dual Sheath Redux, on nexus is up to version 1.3, but in the Skyrim Revised guide, it is still listed as 1.1. So, do I use the latest version?
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#43 Neovalen

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Posted 06 April 2013 - 05:16 PM

@Neovalen,

I noticed that Dual Sheath Redux, on nexus is up to version 1.3, but in the Skyrim Revised guide, it is still listed as 1.1.

So, do I use the latest version?


Yes.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:14 PM

I have confirmed this bug:

There is a known issue with favorited weapons showing up when dual wielding and switching your right hand weapon to another 1h weapon, this appears to be a Skyrim engine bug and I'm working to find a workaround. To avoid the bug altogether:
a) Do not favorite your 1h weapons and equip using the inventory screen only, OR
b) Use favorites/hotkeys but never switch 1h weapons using hotkeys while dual wielding but only to 2h weapons (like a bow) and back.

If you do get the bug, a simple re-equip should fix it.


This appears to be a Skyrim engine bug in regards to switching 1h weapons when dual wielding if they are FAVORITED only. The two workarounds above avoid the problem. This is a minor bug and some people consider it a unintended "feature". I am still working on finding a permanent fix for the engine.
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Posted 08 April 2013 - 12:23 AM

This one seems to be getting fairly well tested and the *bug* seems trivial now that we have detailed context. Are there any outstanding issues in anyone's opinion?



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