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#16 Garfink

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 01:08 AM

I thought so too, not a missing mesh as that means the texture wouldn't be there (as commented above by @Aiyen)... but it just looks like an "optimized" mesh to me, so now the texture isn't applied properly.
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#17 thunderclam

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 01:24 AM

Okay so a couple of things: 1. A friend installed ApachiiSkyHair and now has the same problem as me. I do not know why I still have it in vanilla. Now he does too. How could ApachiiSkyHair corrupt a vanilla reinstall after you've deleted every trace of it from your system? 2. Of course I followed the STEP uninstall guide. 3. Other games work fine. Even graphically demanding games like Planetside 2. Because I turned my AA settings on my CC off in the general system setting, it has some weird AA just like Skyrim did. This suggests to me that it's either my CCC settings or the card or the drivers. 4. It possibly being the drivers is a distinct possibility but I'm scared to reinstall the drivers as the last time I tried that, CCC did not want to reinstall the display driver. Luckily, a computer reboot cleared that up but I had more issues so I tried the latest BETA. AMD apparently doesn't make it easy for you to uninstall all their crap. Also, CCC comes with a pile of extra utilities and **** that I don't understand and am therefore afraid to not install. 5. I am not getting any of the usual reported problems that signal the death of a graphics card and checking on how its running doesn't yield any strange results. At this time, I do not believe my hardware is failing. 6. I did try reinstalling DirectX before I deleted Skyrim itself. I am not sure if DirectX is the issue. It would not surprise me but nor would it explain why I'm having AA issues in other games, would it? A year ago, I would have been the first person in line to sing the praises of the PC as a gaming platform. This experience has reminded me that it's not always beautiful graphics and better performance. Companies we rely on for 3rd party software to allow us to do x, y, and z often seem to place obstacles in our path that no amount of ingenuity or community experience can always overcome. Nobody has any answers on this. Just the usual obvious stuff that I've tried and tried again. Being unable to problems in vanilla was just the last straw for me after 4 weeks of troubleshooting and testing just to be able to play the game modded again (never used to be this bad at all and I've always modded). I get a lot of platitudes around the forums and places I've sought answers for this, stuff like "that's what you get when you mod a game" or whatever. Part of the reason this is such a dealbreaker for me is because a lot of the crap I thought was mods was really just something wrong or different about my initial setup. And I have no idea what or where to start. The only thing to do is reinstall the video drivers, as has been suggested. One more thing to burn time learning to do, then doing it, and hoping it works out. I get why that's necessary. I've just been doing so much of it for so long now that I'm really tired.
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#18 Garfink

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:21 AM

1) it can't, so it must still be in your system(s) if it is truly the cause of your issues. 2) Well, I recommend renaming the Skyrim installation directory and just try reinstalling Skyrim again. Forget the guide for this test. 3) I don't have problems with ANY game with my old 580 GTX card or my new Titan card, if you have AA problems in other games, sounds like your card/driver combo has issues in general. I remember I had a SLI card in the past and that had issues galore. 4) Really? I've never had problems, uninstall and if necessary install a generic VGA driver first. 5) Who knows, you could run a stress test on the card though, there are software and guides online. I do it when I overclock to test for stability. 6) Sounds like its worth a try. I have found in the past if your game has an issue, you are stuffed till they fix it. I bought Far Cry 2 and I had to wait like a year till they found the problem and so I could finally load the darn game, great game btw. Well, I haven't ruled out PS4 or Xbox as a suitable platform, but not until they allow you to mod, upgrade your hardware and use a mouse and keyboard.
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#19 thunderclam

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 05:29 AM

The only thing my friend has in common with my setup is that we're both using AMD cards. I have a 6950 and he has a 6970. He's pretty confident that nothing changed except that he installed ApachiiSkyHair and that now his vanilla game has the same hair issues I do. I have looked at some older screenshots where I was using AOF and there WAS some scrappy texture lines and so on in there, not TOO different from my issue. Now, though, if I install AOF or any other hair retexture things get ridiculous. My next order of business is to reinstall my GPU drivers following a guide I found for complete AMD driver removal (apparently AMD doesn't make it easy but this is the internet so there are ways). I don't know what you mean about renaming my Skyrim directory but that may also be worth a try. I assume that the jist is to install a completely different instantiation of the game? I'm not sure how to do that/what it will accomplish. I guess it would prove whether or not there's something lingering from before.
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#20 Aiyen

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 05:50 AM

Try to do what I suggested and load the mesh in nifskope to see how it looks outside of the game. That way you only have the mesh and its texture, and not the game and its lighting etc. If it looks okay in there both with and without texture applied, then it will start to get really really odd. (What you see there is what you should expect ingame... except for a few transparency issues that depend on lighting.) For fun I tired it out, and the ones I checked looks normal in there so I guess its a useful test. Also you have better view angles since you are not camera locked as you are in char. generation.

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 11:54 AM

I do not have the patience to do that right now. Besides, if transparency lighting stuff shows up in nifskope then it might look the same. I mean, transparency and lighting may very well be the actual problem.
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#22 thunderclam

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 04:32 PM

Update: I have reinstalled again. This time with my drivers rolled back to CCC 12.10. I still have the same flickering, AA, shadow, and hair issues. Wood Elf is still missing his patch of hair. What the bad words? How can this be the vanilla install of Skyrim for me? It just doesn't make sense. Is Steam cacheing files or something? How can I delete this whole thing off my computer, reinstall it, and get these same errors?
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#23 moonbeam

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 04:00 AM

I'm having more or less the exact same problem. I just finished building a new computer last week after coming from a laptop and this issue has followed me to my new computer. The only thing at this point that could be affecting my game is that (even though I started new games completely vanilla), my save games followed me with Steam cloud. I have since disabled the steam cloud, deleted all my saves and totally removed any traces of the game from my computer. Now in the process of re installing skyrim, I will update when its done with photos if the problem persists. Im also about positive this is not a driver or faulty hardware issue either as this computer plays other games flawlessly. specs: GIGABYTE GA-Z87X-UD5H i7 4770k evga gtx 770 sc 4g
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Posted 17 December 2013 - 08:57 PM

I re downloaded and the problem is still there, any suggestions? https://imgur.com/HX8rt4N https://imgur.com/yDjdcQw https://imgur.com/v8whhLA
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#25 phazer11

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Posted 17 December 2013 - 10:47 PM

First. I would try redownloading all of your hair mods to make sure all the meshes are there and not corrupt or something.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 12:21 AM

I have no hair mods installed in fact no mods at all accept Alternate start Live another life, simply to avoid the opening cutscene to test this glitch on new characters. With this being a completely new install of the game I have no idea what else I can do.
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 12:55 AM

Odd... well at the least try enabling all the Unofficial Patches (or at the minimum the High Resolution Patch). I'd also try installing the hair mods (there are what three?) in STEP Core.

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 02:11 AM

Got it I'll grab the patches and the high resolution pack, as well as the lore friendly hair and beards. if the problems continue I"ll update with more detailed info as best i can.
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#29 01Zed

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Posted 30 December 2013 - 01:45 PM

The problem is with the new ENB patch. Disable the speed hack and your hair should be fine.
It also causes a lot of random CTD, so might help you out. My hair was flying like a kite behind characters lol. Here are before and after shots. Peace
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Posted 14 June 2014 - 05:58 PM

Created an account to try to troubleshoot this issue. It's driving me crazy. I installed Skyrim after a long hiatus, worked my way through the STEP project after finally giving it a try. (Not sure why I put things off this long, I've decided that I love STEP.)

 

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https://i.imgur.com/Ynzp5Nn.jpg

 

I also have an AMD card, and I updated the drivers recently.

 

Things I have tried:

 

I first blamed EEO, and ripped it out of the mod list entirely, to no avail, making backups along the way. Then went Xvision, then custom skeletons and supporting mods. Finally I tried:

 

Taking away EVERY non-Bethesda .esp with the sole exception of Alternate Start, largely just to keep myself from going insane watching the damn starting sequence. I also renamed and moved the textures folder, the meshes folder, the SKSE folder....the problem persists with an (almost) completely vanilla install.

 

I removed ENB completely, as I did see that fix floating around. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with this problem, as every ENB related file has been deleted.

 

I went to Steam and reinstalled the game, as I'd cleaned the official files with TESEDIT as per STEP.

 

I removed my ini files.

 

I removed my custom game profile in AMD CCC.

 

At this point I've given up. It's really frustrating for me, as I install everything very carefully and manually, and I've spent a good portion of the last two days testing Requiem, Frostfall, RND, removing mods, etc, only to run into this glitch that is apparently beyond my ability to solve.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thanks! I take solice in the fact that I still have my mod setup backed up.

 

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So now I'm beyond frustrated. I'd tear my hair out if I wasn't bald. I just used a driver cleaner tool from Guru3d to uninstall my current AMD driver in Windows 8.1 Safe Mode, cleaned the registry, restarted, bypassed the (apparently shitty?) auto-detect tool AMD provides and installed the newest drivers specific to my video card then launched Skyrim, expecting to come back and report success. Unfortunately, the issue persists. It's beyond me at this stage what the problem is. AMD cards can't be this shitty, but I believe that I've run out of places to check for problems. I've come back to blaming Skyrim again, but everything seems to be vanilla.


Edited by Harpalus, 14 June 2014 - 06:39 PM.

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