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#16 Sairven

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 09:45 AM

Wayfarer makes me nostalgia for Morrowind. It seems to level as you do things (move, jump, kill things, get hit, gather ingredients, etc). It also gives you protection/bonuses against various things (diseases, cold, enemy types, etc) and increases move speed outdoors. Someone else will have to do a review on it as I had to deactivate SkyRe before I got that far with it (only lvl 48 wayfaring). :(
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#17 mothergoose729

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 12:49 PM

This mod is not suitable for core STEP because it does add content. It would be a great choice for a STEP package though. I have been using it extensively and I really enjoy it. There are some flaws, some balance issues that need to be addressed, but overall it is a much better balanced and much more challenging experience than is provided by vanilla skyrim. I have a level 50 stealth focused character and even at this level I have to be very careful with how I choose my engagements. There is a combination of leveled and deleveled scaling the author adds, so in some places bandits and most animals are just minor pests, but then a hargraven appears, or a bandit chief wakes up from a nap and you have a real fight on your hands. The new skill tree, Wayfarer, seems to level up as you move about. It is of the class of none essential skills but it has some really nice perks that are worth investing in for some character classes. Pickpocket and Lockpicking have been merged into one skill, which comes at least a little closer to making that whole skill tree useful. The weapons classes all split instead of being general. There are difference skill sets for shortswords, war axes, one handed maces, and also katana, scabers, shortsword, and nodochi weapons. The two handed weapon tree likewise has split perks, bows are split into long, short, and crossbow, and destruction magic is split by the element. The skill tree is designed so that you quickly get the flat damage boosts perks and then the specialization usually happens are higher levels, somewhere after 50 or 60 usually. The marksman skill tree is the exception; it splits very early and forces you to specialize with your ranged weapons rather quickly. In the most recent updates the mod author has changed the base values on all of the in game armors in addition to the damage scaling. 10 armor rating provides a 1 percent damage reduction in physical attacks. There are a variety of skills and weapon classes that ignore armor rating to various degrees (crossbows almost entirely, other weapons by a smaller percentage). A heavily armored character can withstand many kinds of attacks very easily but be at a disadvantage against some others. The unarmored route for mages has received very substantial buffs. Using the alteration school you can strengthen your defenses very easily. A novice level spell "oakflesh" improves player armor by 100 for 300 seconds, at the cost of a substantial amount of mana. The restoration school provides increasingly more powerful and cheaper ward spells for additional protection. Health and mana potions now act over time instead of instantly, and their total recovery amount has been buffed. Mages have some significant advantages against melee types, as most ice based spells slow movement speed, and projectile speed of most spells has been dramatically increased. I don't play a mage character myself, but I do find the mage enemies in the game to be among the most challenging. The restoration school now provides very powerful spells for undead enemies. The illusion spell system has been completely reworked. You now cast mirror images of your self, allowing you to teleport small distances, inflict damage or special kind of debuffs while different mirror images of you are active, and other very interesting effects. There seems to be more of a focus overall with both offensive alteration and illusion on chaining spells together. For example, alteration has a "push" and "pull" spell functions with different spell additions and perks that contribute to these new spell mechanics. The mod also twists the speech craft tree so that your speechcraft effects the potency of dragon shouts. There are several perks for increasing damage, cool down duration, and the stealth skill tree can even make shouts silent. Merchants are much more cuthroat by default. I use a "Economics of Skyrim" on the "easy" setting with this mod, I have 2 points invested in the speech skill tree in the general buffs and I get an exchange rate of about 1/3rd or 1/5th the items value for selling, and pay around 2x or 3x the items value when buying. Its not a perfect system but overall I find that, even at level 50, I have to collect, craft, steal, and forage as much as I can to be able to afford the many things that I want. The stealth tree has also been reworked. Bows now do 2x damage in stealth, and melee weapons 3x damage, with additional perks to increase the effectiveness of stealth attacks. There are options to instantly kill sleeping targets, and at high stealth levels you can kill humanoid targets instantly with daggers. When detected in steatlh enemies will search for you a lot longer. If you take out some guys buddy sitting right next to them, they no longer continue to obliviously sip their tea. Enemies site radius has been changed to binocular, so you can sneak by a little easier, but enemies in general detect better and more quickly. If you open a door, lower a draw bridge, or let loose an arrow near by they are likely to hear you. There are also perks that support playing mage assassins, with damage multipliers for spells, touch spells, and silent casting. The stealth skill is still abusable, but it takes forever. I have noticed a problem where enemies will stand right in front of you and take arrows to the face if you are in almost complete darkness. I uses RLWC and that happens for me rather often. The mod also adds new mechanics to the game and fixes several bugs. If you are the right smithing perks you can break down weapons and armors into their base materials; for example iron shields and swords into iron. This helps a lot with making player crafting more viable in the much more difficult economy, and with hearthfire its nothing short of a godsend. Many smithing broken smithing recipes have been fixed. You can approach blacksmiths in towns and cities and request for them to craft armors and weapons for you via special order, and then can also improves you equipement for you, for a fee and based of a combination of their own skill and the item type being improved (ebony cost more than steel, ect). This makes it feasible to play a warrior type without smithing skills. New weapons and a select few armors have been added to the leveled list and smithing lists as well. In addition, all skill have been completely uncapped and many skill perks require greater than 100 skill points to use. Blocks now has a "timed block" feature, whereby if you hit block at special timings you can stagger as melee opponent. Enemy AI has changed a lot as well. Enemies make use of specialized perks and timed blocks, in addition to new spells and spell effects. Enemies behave differently when in a group than in alone (they are more aggressive). Enemies will often use potions, run out of mana or arrows, and in general behave more like the player character. Mages and ranged weapon users will kite the player character and also, in general, aim really well. Future updates may include a "lorecraft" approach to some or all of skill perks. The mod suffers some from having far more useful perks for a character class then is possible. I personally feel that the economy is not quite right. I would like to see an economics of skyrim merged with this mod, and then tweak the cost scaling some so buying is more viable and potion making is a lot less profitable. I feel like heavy armor skills provides challengeing enemies but extremely combersome and perhaps not very viable playing experience for the player character. I don't use the races plugin because some of the racial abilities I find immersion breaking; for instance dark elves will summon ancestor guardians when falling below 30% health that are nearly invincible and just kind of rape everything in sight. I feel like some of the static levels inhibit questing for anyone below level 30 or 40 and make the game in some respects a less fun, or the leveling mechanic more burdensome. In my opinion though, it is the best balancing project for skyrim available by far. Using any other mod or a combination of mods, nothing I have tried is even close to SkyRe for interms of providing a challenging, interesting, and dynamic skyrim experience.
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#18 Smile44

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 03:02 PM

Yeah what he said.

You can use ACE BYOG to tweak prices and other things to balance up most changes that SkyRe makes.

I find that adding mods with patches such as Immersive Armors which I really like a bit tricky to get working with SkyRe, lots of gloves boot and heads running around on invisible bodies, so not adding anything in, don't really need to I suspect.

Also recommend Skyrim scaling Stopper (full recommended install) and Requiem - both work really well but the perk trees improvements in SkyRe win out for me. I recommend ASIS Encounter Zones (optional file in downloads section) instead of SkyRe's encounter module as it gives a greater range of potential encounters and requires greater caution. The AI with this mod is effective and I am pleased with especially as I can't seem to run Skyproc patchers with my current set up which rules out ASIS and Automatic Variants, a shame both great immersion mods.

Anyway SkyRe  - a big thumbs up.
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#19 zodden

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 04:23 PM

Can anybody who is using this with STEP post a list of any STEP mods that this should not be used with? It seems like this mod is the most complicated to get working right in a custom step install.
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#20 Smile44

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Posted 06 January 2013 - 05:47 PM

I could be wrong but I believe that Ars Metallica is the only one in STEP that interferes in any way with SKYRE. STEP only really affects the look of the game rather than change anything that SKYRE does which is all gameplay - that said there is an alternative config.ini for categorised favourites menu that is configured for SKYRE as an optional download. I'll stop there in case I accidentally think of any more.
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#21 zodden

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Posted 07 January 2013 - 11:52 AM

Thanks! Thats not too bad actually
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#22 redbananaz

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 12:35 PM

I agree with what you guys said above, it's a nice change, but its incompatible with almost all mods that adds weapons and armors, because of the combat overhaul (changes armor and weapon values) it custom added armor useless unless you edit it yourself.
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#23 Kingdestiny

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Posted 08 January 2013 - 04:57 PM

This Isn't true. He made himself a program called Reproccer. It's a program that adds all new weapons, armor, and alchemy from your mods to his game by automatically editing their stats to fit. SkyRe's whole purpose is to work with a huge range of mods. I find it to be more balanced and to have a slightly higher difficulty. I'm in the process of testing his new stuff now. I'll report back with how I feel the weapons are balanced by default from his program. (It's fully editable on your own) I just wanted to make and edit and say that I mean his Reproccer is fully editable after it auto patches. Which I believe to be easier then manually editing things yourself without it.
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Posted 09 January 2013 - 02:46 AM

This Isn't true. He made himself a program called Reproccer. It's a program that adds all new weapons, armor, and alchemy from your mods to his game by automatically editing their stats to fit. SkyRe's whole purpose is to work with a huge range of mods. I find it to be more balanced and to have a slightly higher difficulty. I'm in the process of testing his new stuff now. I'll report back with how I feel the weapons are balanced by default from his program.

(It's fully editable on your own) I just wanted to make and edit and say that I mean his Reproccer is fully editable after it auto patches. Which I believe to be easier then manually editing things yourself without it.

WOW, really? well that is amazing, and im gonna start looking into it right now, thanks for telling me, cheers mate! :D
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Posted 11 February 2013 - 06:20 AM

Confirm ReProccer working fine. I also have near-full STEP 2.2.1 install (near-full due to few minor changes and omittments), Realistic Needs and Diseases, Realistic Wildlife Loot, Dynamic Timescale, Travellers of Skyrim, Bags And Pouches + Dawnguard and BAP for NPCs and a few other non-STEP mods and it seems to be working fine so far (about 3 hours of gameplay). Trying to find out if Immersive Patrols is compatible...
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 12:34 AM

Please do keep us updated, I was waiting for 2.2.1 but might start later today. I really like the look of this mod, most of these sort of tweak packages quickly elicit snorts of derision from me but I like the looks of this a lot.
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Posted 12 February 2013 - 06:32 AM

Will do. I was getting CTDs. Could not establish direct cause, but removing Lively Inns and Tavers and Immerisve Patrols seems to resolve the issue, CTDs have now stopped. I was getting them both outside cities (in areas unaffected by LIAT) and also within cities, where Immersive Patrols should not cause anything as far as I figured... So I removed both :)
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:26 PM

Is it worth using this skyrim redone with the new step 2.2.2? What about Jaysus swords mod?
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:46 PM

Why not just use Requiem? Wouldn't it be better than SkyRE? https://skyrim.nexus....com/mods/19281
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Posted 06 March 2013 - 01:49 PM

Will do.

I was getting CTDs. Could not establish direct cause, but removing Lively Inns and Tavers and Immerisve Patrols seems to resolve the issue, CTDs have now stopped. I was getting them both outside cities (in areas unaffected by LIAT) and also within cities, where Immersive Patrols should not cause anything as far as I figured... So I removed both :)

I've been using Immersive Patrols for a long time and I haven't had any CTDs in areas that it uses; I have STEP and Skyrim Revisited mods as well as other mods. It doesn't have any scripts, so it is less likely to cause problems.  Perhaps some other mods like Travelers of Skyrim or maybe SkyRe use the same areas on the map that it does; I don't use either of these. The only problems with Immersive Patrols I've seen reported are when another mod has changes to the same places that Immersive Patrols uses. 



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