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#2611 steveley

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:02 PM

It's incredibly easy to do yourself:  Merge Plugin Script

Yes, I've done it a few times myself.  I'm suggesting a central, managed, known good merge by the experts so that hundreds (thousands?) of people don't need to reinvent the wheel themselves.


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#2612 Nozzer66

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Posted 14 April 2015 - 11:58 PM

I actually prefer doing those kinds of things myself, so I know full well what's in them. (And who to blame if there's a SNAFU... :D )


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Posted 15 April 2015 - 12:07 AM

Yes, I've done it a few times myself.  I'm suggesting a central, managed, known good merge by the experts so that hundreds (thousands?) of people don't need to reinvent the wheel themselves.

Its kinda easy to predict if there will be a good merge or a bad merge.

Yes, there are some unknowns but hey, when in doubt "Check for Errors"

 

Mator has implemented a system but hardly anyone uses it. I was talking with him the other day and he's like "You know you could report successful merges, right?". Little did I know, he had a .jar that would submit successful merges. Well, that is over simplified but there is definitely a system.

 

The most difficult part about merging, in my opinion, is remembering what needs to be patched after a merge.



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Posted 15 April 2015 - 12:51 AM

Please consider a merged REGS Patch for your next update.  Something that Fixes NSutR, RR, Riften NavFull, 3DNPC, & STEP Extended.  Throw in SRLE as well and you give us back 4 ESP slots.  If you are feeling ultra generous, a link to a merge of all the ETaC patches would save us upwards of another dozen slots...  Please have pity on us poor ESP capped souls.

It's incredibly easy to do yourself:  Merge Plugin Script

Yes, I've done it a few times myself.  I'm suggesting a central, managed, known good merge by the experts so that hundreds (thousands?) of people don't need to reinvent the wheel themselves.

I actually prefer doing those kinds of things myself, so I know full well what's in them. (And who to blame if there's a SNAFU... :D )

Its kinda easy to predict if there will be a good merge or a bad merge.

Yes, there are some unknowns but hey, when in doubt "Check for Errors"

 

Mator has implemented a system but hardly anyone uses it. I was talking with him the other day and he's like "You know you could report successful merges, right?". Little did I know, he had a .jar that would submit successful merges. Well, that is over simplified but there is definitely a system.

 

The most difficult part about merging, in my opinion, is remembering what needs to be patched after a merge.

I would not classify steveley's suggested merge as (very) "easy".

 

Most of those patches include NavMesh overrides, and so after merging them, the NavMesh Info (NAVI) record needs to be deleted from the merged patch, and rebuilt in CK.

 

But loading the merged patch in CK requires temporarily changing all of its masters into false-flagged .esp plugins (so set as a master, but still with the .esp file extension so the merged patch recognizes them.) This is because CK will only load one .esp plugin - everything else has to be a master.

 

Once you've got that all set up, you load the merged plugin in CK, and then save it. To be on the safe side, I also add the .bsa files of any of those master plugins in CK's .ini file, but CJ has already said this is not necessary if you are only rebuilding the NAVI record.

 

Not re-building the NavMesh will result in problems with NavMesh connections and "doors" from one cell to another.

 

This has already be brought up in this thread (start reading from my post here.), and is highlighted in one of missjennabee's very informative forum thread stickies for ETaC.

 

I don't want to scare people off, but if you're getting these patches to fix conflicting NavMeshes between mods, and then don't rebuild the NavMesh Info record, you're kind of shooting yourself in the foot.


Edited by keithinhanoi, 15 April 2015 - 04:47 AM.

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#2615 cstarkey42

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Posted 15 April 2015 - 01:12 AM

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Ok, maybe it's not as easy as simply running the patch for every merge, in the case of conflicting navmeshes, but following keith's instructions from earlier in this forum and/or MissJenna's on the ETAC page and, yeah, I'd still say it's incredibly easy to do yourself.  Load it in WB, right click and select an option, open CK, open file, save, de-emsify and done ( not meant to be a guide, just a gross simplification of the process ).  ETAC has great pics to help along the way and keith did a great job laying out the steps in his description.  I was a little intimidated by using the CK, mainly due to it's reputation, but, seriously, all you do is open the file and save it.  To keep ETAC simple I made two patches, one with navs and one without, in order to cut down on the work that needed to be done in WB.  Throw the REGS patches in with the ETAC patches and it's even better!  Hell, if I remember right, I also have the You Hunger and RS Children patches for ETAC, Interesting NPCs and Inconsequential NPCs in there as well.

 

Honestly, if you're really interested in cutting down on your esps then you really are much better off making your own merges and seeing what else you can fit in with each particular merge.  You'll be up to 400 esps in no time!  :)


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#2616 CJ2311

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Posted 16 April 2015 - 04:20 PM

Version 4.0.6:

Guide Update:

  • Added The Gray Cowl of Nocturnal by MannyGT.
Maintaining a merged version of the ETaC would be a pain in the behind what with having to update it with each new version, plus people are bound to ask for custom merged patches...
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#2617 Thorny

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 08:16 PM

I've read this thread from page 171 to present, has there been a final verdict on SRLE+REGS and the missing userlist rules for various ETaC Patches?

 

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The override of ETaC - Complete.esp after 3DNPC.esp also seems to cause some ordering issues. Any solution?

 

 


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#2618 Nozzer66

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Posted 17 April 2015 - 09:28 PM

Maybe try and merge those patches. They merge up easily too. Saves plugin spots and less rules to make.


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Posted 17 April 2015 - 09:53 PM

Hey, we were talking about Relighting Skyrim and/or ELE Lite for STEP and someone mentioned it might cause many conflicts with REGS or some other packs. Is this actually true? Anyone using them together and know what if any type of patching is required?



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Posted 17 April 2015 - 11:14 PM

the only issue with ELE is not applying to new interiors.

I believe most are using either no lighting mods or ELFX + ELE combo that SRLE uses.

 

From using ELFX + ELE I havnt seen anything abnormal except light culling on meshes (or whatever people are calling it, flickering maybe) when ELFX meshes are overwritten by vanilla ones.

 

 

EDIT: ETaC is going to include an RS patch in the next update.

MJB says it in the mod page.



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Posted 23 April 2015 - 12:57 PM

Here's hoping the guide doesn't get too much affected by Valve/Bethesda's decision to make mods on the workshop paid...
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Posted 23 April 2015 - 04:23 PM

Here's hoping the guide doesn't get too much affected by Valve/Bethesda's decision to make mods on the workshop paid...

I'm not sure how we manage this either. I think I'll open a dialogue privately with people that write guides to see how we should approach this a little later when we have some more info on the way mods will be selected by the Steam Workshop.



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Posted 28 April 2015 - 04:33 PM

Hi,

I'm in the process of reinstalling Skyrim using SRLE and REGS as a base. I'm thinking of dropping JK's Skyrim since it destroys my fps in several areas such as the Skyforge in Whiterun, despite running on a 4790K @ 5 GHz + 980 OC. I tried to remove ivy then all flora added by the esp with TES5Edit following someone's advice on the mod page, but that didn't really help. Dipping from about 40 fps (with a demanding ENB) down to 22-25 in an heartbeat is brutal and only happens with JK's mod - not even into the forest now that I stick to SFO and stay away from additional grass mods. So, I'll either ignore major cities overhauls or switch back to Dawn of Skyrim which performs better on my side.

Here's my question: can I still use the replacer you provided some time ago to ensure compatibility with Cutting Room Floor and Interesting NPCs - Dawnofriften.esp, I think - or is it out of date/incompatible with the current guide ? If it isn't, can I just load it after DawnofSkyrim.esp (now all-in-one), CRF and 3D PC ? Will it work with Better Entrances - REGS Version ?

Thanks a lot !
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Posted 28 April 2015 - 05:50 PM

I'm afraid the old patch was only for the standalone versions of the Dawn of Skyrim mods, not with the all-in-one version. So you'll have to either use the standalone versions of DoS, or to change the master name in wrye bash (but that's not guaranteed to work)

 

I'd recommend using the standalone versions anyway, so you can pick your favorite option for each city. Also, the DoS mods cause similar FPS drops anyway.


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#2625 darkside

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Posted 28 April 2015 - 05:54 PM

Hi,

I'm in the process of reinstalling Skyrim using SRLE and REGS as a base. I'm thinking of dropping JK's Skyrim since it destroys my fps in several areas such as the Skyforge in Whiterun, despite running on a 4790K @ 5 GHz + 980 OC. I tried to remove ivy then all flora added by the esp with TES5Edit following someone's advice on the mod page, but that didn't really help. Dipping from about 40 fps (with a demanding ENB) down to 22-25 in an heartbeat is brutal and only happens with JK's mod - not even into the forest now that I stick to SFO and stay away from additional grass mods. So, I'll either ignore major cities overhauls or switch back to Dawn of Skyrim which performs better on my side.

Here's my question: can I still use the replacer you provided some time ago to ensure compatibility with Cutting Room Floor and Interesting NPCs - Dawnofriften.esp, I think - or is it out of date/incompatible with the current guide ? If it isn't, can I just load it after DawnofSkyrim.esp (now all-in-one), CRF and 3D PC ? Will it work with Better Entrances - REGS Version ?

Thanks a lot !

I deleted quite a lot of hidden clutters manually from JK's Skyrim especially whiterun. This make it run much smoother.
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