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#1 egocarib

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 08:30 PM

Discussion thread:
 
Better Dwemer Spider Textures by Naitrii
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(edit by rootsrat):
 
This mod provides higher-resolution version of the Dwemer Spider. Available resolutions are 2K and 4K. You can meet them mostly in the interior cells. 
 
In current STEP version (2.2.8 / 2.2.9) only UHRP delivers these textures.
 
 
 
OP (egocarib):
These really speak for themselves. :turned:

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Compares: 
 


STEP (UHRP)    >>    Better Dwemer Spider Textures

 
Spider1_zpsc3ba43be.png  >>  Spider2_zps44a91bff.png
Spider3_zps3d1478df.png  >>  Spider4_zpsb51d6d43.png
Spider5_zpsb14af2e2.png  >>  Spider6_zps15816505.png
 
Spider7_zps037d2862.png  >>  Spider8_zps69f2bc5a.png
Spider9_zps1bd9a669.png  >>  Spider10_zps8835d524.png


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#2 redirishlord

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 08:40 PM

Nice, just the thing to further enhance my Markarth the White City experience. The texture looks very clean and detailed in the screenshots, I'll have to take a close look in game. The tease regarding his secret dwemer project has me very curious.
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#3 DoYouEvenModBro

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 10:14 PM

Great find. Be sure to post more of his work if you find any :)
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#4 rootsrat

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 04:47 PM

Why aren't we testing this? This is great retexture, should be in STEP. Currently UHRP provides these textures for STEP. It's a quick test, no brainer really. I will be actually able to provide the compares maybe even today.

 

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Ok, I edited the OP and posted my compares. They were done on my STEP Extended 2.2.8 Profile.

 

To me the choice is clear, I'm keeping this in my load order :)


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#5 DoubleYou

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 06:31 PM

We had said that testing was closed for 2.2.9, which would probably explain its absence from testing :;):

 

Looking at the compares, I'm not sure they're worth the 24 mb. Also, I wish they weren't so much lighter in color, and the purple gem instead of red stands out a bit.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 06:36 PM

Higher texture fidelity for sure, but I like the color choices of STEP much better.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 08:38 PM

We had said that testing was closed for 2.2.9, which would probably explain its absence from testing :;):

 

Looking at the compares, I'm not sure they're worth the 24 mb. Also, I wish they weren't so much lighter in color, and the purple gem instead of red stands out a bit.

My exact thoughts on this mod. I really with authors that go through the trouble of making hi-res textures and decide to changes colors and such would at the very least offer a vanilla friendly version of the texture as well instead of only their stylistic changes.



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Posted 13 June 2014 - 08:57 PM

I much rather prefer this color and texture


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#9 DanimalTwo

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Posted 13 June 2014 - 09:08 PM

While the textures are a definite improvement, in the last set of images, what looks like a turn screw on the left side of the spider doesn't seem attached to anything.


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Posted 14 June 2014 - 03:31 AM

I have 2 issues with these textures. It makes the spiders stand out from the rest of the Dwemer stuff depending on what other retexs you are using (like Langley's) and while it certainly looks better, I have a hard time justifying 2k for a bloody spider!


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#11 phryxolydian

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:18 AM

SRO > This mod > Langley's!

 

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#12 TechAngel85

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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:27 AM

Still SRO. Langley's improves some areas but blurs others.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 10:39 AM

My exact thoughts on this mod. I really with authors that go through the trouble of making hi-res textures and decide to changes colors and such would at the very least offer a vanilla friendly version of the texture as well instead of only their stylistic changes.

 

 Got to admit that after these few days of compare shots across quite a few mods, then it seems that unless something is essentially just a rescale then it is not good enough. For the next version of the guide I think we should have a debate on getting a more clearly defined "acceptable style change"... It makes no sense to expect that talented people just do rescales of vanilla any more. 

 

Also I do not agree with your apparent definition of "vanilla friendly" in this case... I would say this mod is VERY vanilla friendly! There are not radical design changes... I still find that this mod blends in nicely with other dwemer textures. 

 

 

That said then the size should really not be a relevant issue... it is always far better to have a base file of high quality then alter the compression and size manually. We do it for just about every texture.. so I fail to see how this is an issue. Also 2k for an enemy model.. that is mainly only present inside interiors... even smaller laptops would not have a problem with that since the interior memory requirements are so paltry. 

 

Hope that all made some sense hehe! 



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 11:11 AM

The contrast is the killer. BTW, I don't think the STEP spider is SRO. Or is it? I didn't think it altered the dwemer stuff.



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Posted 14 June 2014 - 11:36 AM

 Got to admit that after these few days of compare shots across quite a few mods, then it seems that unless something is essentially just a rescale then it is not good enough. For the next version of the guide I think we should have a debate on getting a more clearly defined "acceptable style change"... It makes no sense to expect that talented people just do rescales of vanilla any more. 

 

Also I do not agree with your apparent definition of "vanilla friendly" in this case... I would say this mod is VERY vanilla friendly! There are not radical design changes... I still find that this mod blends in nicely with other dwemer textures. 

 

 

That said then the size should really not be a relevant issue... it is always far better to have a base file of high quality then alter the compression and size manually. We do it for just about every texture.. so I fail to see how this is an issue. Also 2k for an enemy model.. that is mainly only present inside interiors... even smaller laptops would not have a problem with that since the interior memory requirements are so paltry. 

 

Hope that all made some sense hehe! 

Style changes are already covered in this statement on the Mandate for Core under what it is NOT about: "... mods that subjectively alter or contrast with the style of vanilla Skyrim."

 

Besides the hi-res texture, all of the changes here are subjective. Color, contrast, tint, brightness, etc It's all the authors vision, not the direction that Bethesda set for vanilla.

 

This could be tested for Extended as long as the change in that stone color doesn't contradict anything in lore about the stone suppose to being red (power source, etc).

 

I do suppose we could discuss how ridge we want to be because there are some mods in Core that changes the "shade" or "contrast" of some colors; however, nothing in Core makes complete changes from, say, red to purple.





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