S.T.E.P. vs. SR:LE?

[xxx78]

Thanks again guys for explaining

I need to find what approach to take, then I will be back with more questions

[Muladhara86]

I have profiles for STEP: Core, SR:LE, and CORE+SRLE.  They all work great.  I had to be a selective about which mods from CORE I wanted to include.  They fall into 3 different categories:

 

No Conflicts, No ESPs

 

 

Bowlegged Jump Animation Fix

Brawl Bugs Patch

Fuz Ro D'oh

Skill Interface Retexture

HQ Snow Textures 

Realistic Mushrooms

Whiterun Trellis Redesigned

Female Vampires Have Fangs

Frost Atronach HD Retex

Improved Foot Wraps for Females

New Children

Not Really HD Mask of Clavicus Vile

Ultimate HD Torch

Enchantment Effect Replacer

NoMaam Breathing Idles

Running with a Bow 3rd Person

Smaller Ice Spike & Ice Spear

Skyrim Performance Plus

Better Shadowmarks

Dark Brotherhood Tenents Restored

HD Baskets Retex

HD Linens

HD Sacks Retexture

HQ Paper

Not Really HD Display Case

Not Really HD Keys

Realistic Instruments

Silly Level of Detail - Potions and Poisons

Silly Level of Detail - Wine Cellar

Skyrim Redesigned

Super Realistic Ore Textures

Sweet Mother

Better Animal Footsteps

Better Horse Pain Sounds

Better Weapon Swing Sounds

Lower Sounding Thieves Guild Door

Realistic Wolf Howls

Thundering Shouts

Ultra Realistic Bow Shoot Sounds

Ultra Realistic Crossbow Shoot Sounds

 

ESPs, No Overwritten Files w/ SRLE

Appropriately Attired Jarls

Consistent Older People

Dead Body Collision Fix

Fast Travel Timescale Fix

Lore-Based Loading Screens

Loadscreen Extensions

Hearthfire Chimneys for Skyrim

Lanterns of Skyrim

Distant Detail Hearthfire Edition

Skyrim Improved Puddles

Birds & Flocks

Elemental Stafts

Animated Weapon Enchants

Dawnguard Rune Weapons FXS Replacer

Improved Weapon Impact Effects

The 418th Step

Radiant & Unique Potions & Poisons

Soul Gems Differ

Dragons Shout with Voice

IHSS - Improved Horse Step Sounds

Immersive Skyrim Thunder

Improved Combat Sounds

Smooth Blades Draw & Sheath

Come Together & Out of the Way

 

No ESPs, Unintentionally Overriden by SRLE Files

Ruins Clutter Improved has 33 non-conflicted files

Tobes Highres Textures has 22; 38 if loaded after SMIM like in CORE

High Quality Food & Ingredients has 51; 53 if loaded after SFO

HD Misc has 2

aMidianBorn Caves & Mines has 10

aMidianBorn Farmhouse has 10

aMidianBorn Whiterun has 39; 45 if loaded after SMIM and SFO

Dragon Glyphs HD has only 1

HiRes Legible Road Signs has 13

Hybrids HD Plants & Herbs Retexture has 15; 24 if loaded after SFO

Real Wood Textures - Farmhouses has 4

Re-Defined Dungeons WIP has 4

Terrain Bump has 3; 4 if loaded after SFO

Trees HD has 7; 21 if loaded after SFO

Visible Windows has 5; 8 if loaded after Vivid Landscapes

Bellyache's Animal & Creature Pack has 20; 22 if loaded after SMIM

Bellyache's HD Dragon Replacer Pack has 11

Better Beast Races has 27

Better Circlets has 20

Skyrim Weapon De-Larp-ification has 33

Greatsword Sheaths and Scabbards Redux has 20

Better Turn Animation has 35

Better Bones has 9; 11 if loaded after Book of Silence

Deatailed Rugs has 18

HD Ore & Ingots has 11

 

This list isn't complete.  I didn't install a lot of SRLE cosmetic mods and stuck with XCE & XCE DG.  There are a few others I didn't install.

 

With all the interest in being able to install SRLE over a CORE setup, it might be helpful to know why these mods weren't included.

Edited January 9, 2015 by Muladhara86

[maedrhos]

I've tried both. S.T.E.P is good in that it is stable, lore friendly and well supported. SR:LE is wonderful in that it is also stable, reasonably lore friendly with even better support. It is also Neovalen's vision of what Skyrim should be and he treats it as an opus. It is more realistic and immersive than S.T.E.P., still lore friendly and sexier in the way of Robert Howard's original Conan stories and Boris Fallejo's art. I highly recommend SR:LE over S.T.E.P. and you will not sleep soundly until you've tried it.

Edited January 7, 2015 by maedrhos

[maedrhos]

Hi guys

 

I have some similar questions so I hope it is ok to post it here.

 

I have finished install Core + Extended but now I wonder if I should install SR:LE instead, I just have a few questions before I decide.

What mods in SR:LE can make it difficult to install more mods on top of SR:LE?

Is there some categories of mods that would be easier to install on top of SR:LE than others?

Is it possible to take out mods I dont like from SR:LE?

 

 

[spoiler=Just as an example, here is a few of the mods I would like to install on top of SR:LE if possible.]

More treasure maps

Sunken Treasures

Moonpath to Elsweyr

Interesting NPCs

Populated Forts Towers Places (by RS)

WAO - Weather and Ambience Overhaul Megapatch

Agent of Righteous Might

The Elder Scrolls Quest Series

Immersive Patrols

Hunterborn

Fences of Skyrim

World Map - Skyrim Hold Borders

Fishing In Skyrim

Pumping Iron - Dynamic Muscle Growth

Athletics Training - with MCM

Scarcity - Less Loot Mod

Loot and Degradation

Achieve That

Fire and Ice Overhaul

 

 

 

Appreciate any replies :)

cheers

I use SR:LE with some of the mods you recommend: Hunterborn, Interesting NPCs, and Fishing in Skyrim. Some of the others I tried and dropped simply because of the 255 .esp limit on the game. I wouldn't be afraid to try them if you don't mind modding and I've spent more time modding this past year than playing the game. The difficulty is that Neovalen makes you a ready made Conflict Resolution Patch for his setup. This is a huge time saver and makes the game stable. The more you deviate from his setup the more time you will need to spend learning techniques to resolve conflict resolution rather than playing the game.

[Zegorzalek]

...spending more time modding (learning modding) than playing... sounds hauntingly familiar... I am on my 3rd install here... what started as a "I would like to mod this house a bit" has turned into a full college course on modding, TesEdit, swapping from NMM to MO, installing STEP CORE... geez shirley

 

Thanks for the discussion all. Looks like I am going to take a close look at the mod lineup and begin another profile install... I originally started with SRLE and then thought... snot... need CORE installed to build on... should have just run with SRLE.

 

Should be worth it though... and probably won't take as long as I learned a lot in the CORE install.

Edited February 7, 2015 by Zegorzalek

[onem4nb4nd]

Yeah I'd have to agree with a lot of the points made here. My only gripe is that I just recently finished the Step:Extended guide and was tinkering with different ENBs when I stumbled across the SR:LE guide. Now, here I am, back at it.... I had a stable game, running the Extended mod list, and I even started on my legitimate playthrough when I caught wind of this Legendary guide. Now, I have to feed my addiction all over again!  :confused:  I must have the **Perfect** game files to play!

I'm sure I'm not the only one. So, I'm wondering, where was the clue hiding, of a SR:LE guide, while I was working through my step guide?? I even glanced at the Pack list at the end of the step guide to see if anything intrigued me that I'd have to make room for. No news of SR:LE there!

[Yippee38]

...spending more time modding (learning modding) than playing... sounds hauntingly familiar... I am on my 3rd install here... what started as a "I would like to mod this house a bit" has turned into a full college course on modding, TesEdit, swapping from NMM to MO, installing STEP CORE... geez shirley

My wife always says, "I think you like modding that game more than you like actually playing it."

 

She may be right. 

[ShadowWhisper]

I've found a few things...some might call them errors or ommissions...wrong with SR:LE

 

First is there were several mods where "Do not install xxxxx.esp" was marked as part of the install instructions.  When I followed this and check in MO, often the BSA files were not loaded (checked) - may want to add instructions to either manually check them or (if no scripts, etc., are included) to unpack and hide the BSAs to take a loose files approach to those particular mods.

The Ruffled Feather mod includes WATER and is replaced/overwritten later by RW2.  Has this been tested for conflicts?

Also with Ruffled Feather, might want to advise that the user look at all the mods included and cherry-pick if desired.  I know some of the mods included in his collection were 'voted off the island' in my mod-outs for various reasons.

Also, IIRC, Community Uncapper has to be manually edited to taste to work right instead of working just out of the box.  I could be wrong on this.

Lastly, are the body mods suggested in SR:LE SFW or NSFW?  Folks like me (who have small kids that may watch them play) might appreciate a small note regarding that and/or a SFW option.  I know from experience that Skyrim bodies are damned hard to find SFW versions of at times unless you're a fan of Vanilla+ :(

Didn't write this to gripe/complain.  Just playing devil's advocate for people new to Skyrim modding who blindly follow STEP guides for their ease of use. :)  Writing a guide for TTW myself, so I know how much hard wortk it is and was following SR:LE to do a nice mod-out of Skyrim for my 'between wiki work breaks'.

Edited February 25, 2015 by ShadowWhisper

[CloakedBreton]

 

The Ruffled Feather mod includes WATER and is replaced/overwritten later by RW2.  Has this been tested for conflicts?

 

Also with Ruffled Feather, might want to advise that the user look at all the mods included and cherry-pick if desired.  I know some of the mods included in his collection were 'voted off the island' in my mod-outs for various reasons.

I am looking forward to The Ruffled Feather recommends "update" - when testing is done (RE: S.T.E.P. Core Project 2.2.9 page ... rather than SR:LE)

 

Edit: I picked ONE option that mentioned "STEP" in The Ruffled Feather, for now.

Edited February 25, 2015 by CloakedBreton

[Neovalen]

 

 

I've found a few things...some might call them errors or ommissions...wrong with SR:LE

 

First is there were several mods where "Do not install xxxxx.esp" was marked as part of the install instructions. When I followed this and check in MO, often the BSA files were not loaded (checked) - may want to add instructions to either manually check them or (if no scripts, etc., are included) to unpack and hide the BSAs to take a loose files approach to those particular mods.

 

The Ruffled Feather mod includes WATER and is replaced/overwritten later by RW2. Has this been tested for conflicts?

 

Also with Ruffled Feather, might want to advise that the user look at all the mods included and cherry-pick if desired. I know some of the mods included in his collection were 'voted off the island' in my mod-outs for various reasons.

 

Also, IIRC, Community Uncapper has to be manually edited to taste to work right instead of working just out of the box. I could be wrong on this.

 

Lastly, are the body mods suggested in SR:LE SFW or NSFW? Folks like me (who have small kids that may watch them play) might appreciate a small note regarding that and/or a SFW option. I know from experience that Skyrim bodies are damned hard to find SFW versions of at times unless you're a fan of Vanilla+ :(

 

Didn't write this to gripe/complain. Just playing devil's advocate for people new to Skyrim modding who blindly follow STEP guides for their ease of use. :) Writing a guide for TTW myself, so I know how much hard wortk it is and was following SR:LE to do a nice mod-out of Skyrim for my 'between wiki work breaks'.

1. BSAs should always be auto extracted if following SR:LE instructions.

2. The Ruffled Feather install instructions are clear on which portions to install and it does NOT include WATER.

3. Community Uncapper works out of the box by uncapping max skill levels to iirc 150 or so. No manual editing required unless that is your desire.

4. The specified options are nfsw but imo it is fairly obvious when the installer prompts SFW or NSFW version... similarly when the mod page says nudes instead of underwear. Common sense required.

 

Hope this helps.

[ShadowWhisper]

1. BSAs should always be auto extracted if following SR:LE instructions.

2. The Ruffled Feather install instructions are clear on which portions to install and it does NOT include WATER.

3. Community Uncapper works out of the box by uncapping max skill levels to iirc 150 or so. No manual editing required unless that is your desire.

4. The specified options are nfsw but imo it is fairly obvious when the installer prompts SFW or NSFW version... similarly when the mod page says nudes instead of underwear. Common sense required.

 

Hope this helps.

It does - thanks.

[Dillard]

So, i know this is maybe not the perfect place for this question, but i really would like to know what the different ambitions are behind Skyrim Revisited (SR) and Skyrim Revisited - Legendary Edition (SR-LE)?

I'm sure this was discussed already somewhere but i couldnt find it, sorry :(

The thing is at first I thought: "of course, the only difference is that SR-LE is like an updated Version of SR"

But when I looke a little closer, i saw that not even half of the Mods were the same in these two guides. even if they (almost) built on the same foundation.

It seems to me that SR has more Mods in common with STEP whereas SR-LE just uses the same base setup but then chooses quite different options.

I'm following the SR-LE (and after 4 days have reached point 4.4.2, Yaay!) because, duh, i recently decided to get me the legendary edition after almost 2 years not playing Skyrim at all.

But there are some mods on the SR-Guide that also look interesting and I didn't find any clues as on why they have been kept out of the SR-LE Guide.

 

If somebody could clear things up for me (or smack me with a link to the post where this was already discussed) I would be extremely grateful!

[kylhwch]

I'm curious about Dillard's question, too. What is the difference between Skyrim Revisited and Skyrim Revisited - Legendary? Why might one choose one or the other?

[Nozzer66]

Aside from the fact that one covers the  non Legendary as in base Skyrim and one covers the Legendary as in all DLC's version?

[kylhwch]

Nozzer66, that's what I thought at first, too, but the Skyrim Revisted page lists all three dlc and the HD files from Beth as prereqs -

https://wiki.step-project.com/User:Neovalen/Skyrim_Revisited#Prerequisites

 

In fact the prerequisite section for both versions is the same except that Legendary has a better gpu.

 

 

That said, I'm sure it will turn out to be something obvious that I'm missing. :)