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Hey guys,

 

today I found out that my texture shimmering is absolutely related to Anti-Aliasing and/or Anisotropic Filtering. Setting the "Allow negative LOD bias" to "Clamp" makes the structures appear halfway decent again, BUT it still is there.

So I started yet another testing round using only Skyrim assets and Vanos Hybrid HD-DLC-Mod.

 

 

That's what I did:

1. Disabled Bethesda Logo on startup.

2. Enabled logging and tracing in skyrim.ini for papyrus.

3.Opened up Skyrim Game Launcher OR Skyrim.ini

4. Applied various settings. Details below

5. Enabled "Boost"-mode in IObits Game Booster.

6.Started Skyrim Performance Monitor.

7. Ran 100% clean Vanilla Skyrim 1.6.89 with TESV.exe (sry not SKSE!!!).

6. Loaded new game (started today for testing purposes only) from exiting Helgen Keep dungeon.

7. God mode enabled.

8. Continiously sprinted to Whiterun only travelling by road ignoring all combat except a part of the giant fight before Whiterun. Ended testing whilst looking down from Dragonsreach and testing VRAM-Stuttering there.

9. Exited Skyrim.

10. Screenshot of Skyrim Performance Monitor.

 

First test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

Lowest, means Low Preset applied and manually set everything except the resolution to the lowest possible setting, kept object detail fade as it gets preset.

Ini Options:

no changes

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: I actually managed to crash once to desktop, where TESV.exe was apparently not responding anymore.

 

 

Second test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

Low Preset

Ini Options:

no changes

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: I actually managed to crash once to desktop, where TESV.exe was apparently not responding anymore.

 

 

Third test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

Medium Preset

Ini Options:

no changes

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: Nothing.

 

 

 

Fourth test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

High Preset

Ini Options:

no changes

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: Nothing.

 

 

 

Fifth test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

Ultra Preset

Ini Options:

no changes

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: Aliasing on stairs, lit up items with shadows cast on them (plus shadow striping/strobing and all that crap) and items on loading screens. The game felt a little bit laggy, but bearly noticeable only. No lag/stutter on the Dragonsreach reference spot.

 

 

 

Sixth test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

Ultra Preset plus original High-Res-DLC from Bethesda

Ini Options:

no changes

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: Aliasing on stairs, lit up items with shadows cast on them (plus shadow striping/strobing and all that crap) and items on loading screens. The game felt a little bit laggy, but bearly noticeable only. No lag/stutter on the Dragonsreach reference spot.

 

 

 

Seventh test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

Ultra plus original High-Res-DLC from Bethesda plus Vano89s optimized Hybrid HD-DLC-version

Ini Options:

no changes

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: Aliasing on stairs, lit up items with shadows cast on them (plus shadow striping/strobing and all that crap) and items on loading screens.  The game felt a little bit laggy, but bearly noticeable only. No lag/stutter on the Dragonsreach reference spot.

 

 

 

Eighth test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

Ultra plus original High-Res-DLC from Bethesda plus Vano89s optimized Hybrid HD-DLC-version

Ini Options:

uGridsToLoad=7

uExterior Cell Buffer=64

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: Aliasing on stairs, lit up items with shadows cast on them (plus shadow striping/strobing and all that crap) and items on loading screens.  The game felt a little bit laggy, but bearly noticeable only. Not really lagging/stuttering more than with normal uGrids-settings... No lag/stutter on the Dragonsreach reference spot.

 

 

 

[07/06/2012 - 05:57:54PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)
[07/06/2012 - 05:57:54PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)
[07/06/2012 - 05:57:54PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total)
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:01PM] VM is freezing...
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:01PM] VM is frozen
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:01PM] Reverting game...
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:05PM] Loading game...
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:06PM] VM is thawing...
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:06PM] AbWisp Effect Start on: None
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:06PM] Sending EVP to self and witchlight children ([Actor < (00108FD6)>])
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:06PM] Witchlights are the Following:
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:06PM] --------------------------------
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:06PM] [WitchlightActorScript < (00108FD3)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:06PM] [WitchlightActorScript < (00108FD5)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:06PM] [WitchlightActorScript < (00108FD4)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:06PM] --------------------------------
[07/06/2012 - 05:58:41PM] [MQ102ChatterTrigger < (000AC137)>] triggered by [Actor < (0002BFA2)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000ACD7E)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000ACD80)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000B6F69)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] The Starting Weapon is None
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] Doesn't have a starting weapon
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] The Starting Weapon is [ObjectReference < (00035514)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] The Starting Weapon is [ObjectReference < (000B6F6B)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Has a starting weapon
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Handling Starting Weapon
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Disabling physics on [ObjectReference < (00035514)>]
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Moving 0 to the SwordMarker
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] error:  (000ACD7E): does not have any 3d and so cannot be moved to.
stack:
    [ (00035514)].ObjectReference.MoveToNode() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000ACD7F)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.HandleWeaponPlacement() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
    [ (000ACD7F)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.HandleStartingWeapon() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
    [ (000ACD7F)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.OnCellAttach() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:03PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:49PM] error:  (000847DD): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000847DD)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000847DD)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 05:59:49PM] error:  (000DC8E1): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC8E1)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC8E1)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:00:11PM] error:  (000DC551): cannot disable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.Disable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:00:17PM] error: DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9): attempting to start event scoped quest outside of story manager.
stack:
    [DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9)].QF_DialogueRiverwoodIntroScen_000954D9.SetCurrentStageID() - "<native>" Line ?
    [DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9)].QF_DialogueRiverwoodIntroScen_000954D9.SetStage() - "Quest.psc" Line ?
    [ (000954DA)].SF_RiverwoodIntroSceneHildeSo_000954DA.Fragment_0() - "SF_RiverwoodIntroSceneHildeSo_000954DA.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:00:26PM] error: DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9): attempting to start event scoped quest outside of story manager.
stack:
    [DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9)].QF_DialogueRiverwoodIntroScen_000954D9.SetCurrentStageID() - "<native>" Line ?
    [DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9)].QF_DialogueRiverwoodIntroScen_000954D9.SetStage() - "Quest.psc" Line ?
    [ (0002BFAC)].SF_MQ102HadvarAlvorScene_0002BFAC.Fragment_35() - "SF_MQ102HadvarAlvorScene_0002BFAC.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:01:02PM] error:  (000C97D2): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000C97D2)].ObjectReference.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [C00GiantAttack (000C97D9)].QF_C00GiantAttack_000C97D9.Fragment_0() - "QF_C00GiantAttack_000C97D9.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:01:05PM] error:  (000DC550): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC550)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC550)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:01:05PM] error:  (000DC551): cannot disable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.Disable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:01:43PM] error:  (000DC54E): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC54E)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC54E)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:01:55PM] error:  (000DC556): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC556)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC556)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:02:28PM] Persuade: [Actor < (000DC9E4)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:02:28PM] [favordialoguescript <DialogueFavorGeneric (0005A6DC)>]Current Skill uses given: 1500.000000 times the Skill Use Multiplier
[07/06/2012 - 06:02:34PM] VM is freezing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:02:34PM] VM is frozen
[07/06/2012 - 06:02:34PM] Saving game...
[07/06/2012 - 06:02:34PM] VM is thawing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:03:30PM] VM is freezing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:03:30PM] VM is frozen
[07/06/2012 - 06:03:30PM] Log closed

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nineth test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

Ultra plus original High-Res-DLC from Bethesda plus Vano89s optimized Hybrid HD-DLC-version

Ini Options:

uGridsToLoad=9

uExterior Cell Buffer=100

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: Aliasing on stairs , lit up items with shadows cast on them (plus shadow striping/strobing and all that crap)and items on loading screens.  The game felt a little bit laggy, but bearly noticeable only. Maybe lagging/stuttering more than with normal uGrids-settings...

 

 

 

[07/06/2012 - 06:05:44PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:44PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:44PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total)
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:53PM] VM is freezing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:53PM] VM is frozen
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:53PM] Reverting game...
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:58PM] Loading game...
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:58PM] VM is thawing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:59PM] AbWisp Effect Start on: None
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:59PM] Sending EVP to self and witchlight children ([Actor < (00108FD6)>])
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:59PM] Witchlights are the Following:
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:59PM] --------------------------------
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:59PM] [WitchlightActorScript < (00108FD3)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:59PM] [WitchlightActorScript < (00108FD5)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:59PM] [WitchlightActorScript < (00108FD4)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:05:59PM] --------------------------------
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:08PM] error:  (000EC18E): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000EC18E)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000EC18E)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000ACD80)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000ACD7E)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000B6F69)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] The Starting Weapon is None
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] The Starting Weapon is [ObjectReference < (00035514)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] Doesn't have a starting weapon
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] The Starting Weapon is [ObjectReference < (000B6F6B)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Has a starting weapon
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Handling Starting Weapon
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Disabling physics on [ObjectReference < (00035514)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Moving 0 to the SwordMarker
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] error:  (000ACD7E): does not have any 3d and so cannot be moved to.
stack:
    [ (00035514)].ObjectReference.MoveToNode() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000ACD7F)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.HandleWeaponPlacement() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
    [ (000ACD7F)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.HandleStartingWeapon() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
    [ (000ACD7F)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.OnCellAttach() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:17PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 06:06:30PM] [MQ102ChatterTrigger < (000AC137)>] triggered by [Actor < (0002BFA2)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:07:08PM] [MQ102ChatterTrigger < (000AC138)>] triggered by [Actor < (0002BFA2)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:07:25PM] error:  (000DC8E1): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC8E1)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC8E1)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:07:25PM] error:  (000847DD): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000847DD)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000847DD)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:07:49PM] error:  (000DC550): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC550)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC550)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:07:49PM] error:  (000DC551): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:08:21PM] error: DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9): attempting to start event scoped quest outside of story manager.
stack:
    [DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9)].QF_DialogueRiverwoodIntroScen_000954D9.SetCurrentStageID() - "<native>" Line ?
    [DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9)].QF_DialogueRiverwoodIntroScen_000954D9.SetStage() - "Quest.psc" Line ?
    [ (000954DA)].SF_RiverwoodIntroSceneHildeSo_000954DA.Fragment_0() - "SF_RiverwoodIntroSceneHildeSo_000954DA.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:08:21PM] error: DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9): attempting to start event scoped quest outside of story manager.
stack:
    [DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9)].QF_DialogueRiverwoodIntroScen_000954D9.SetCurrentStageID() - "<native>" Line ?
    [DialogueRiverwoodIntroScene (000954D9)].QF_DialogueRiverwoodIntroScen_000954D9.SetStage() - "Quest.psc" Line ?
    [ (0002BFAC)].SF_MQ102HadvarAlvorScene_0002BFAC.Fragment_35() - "SF_MQ102HadvarAlvorScene_0002BFAC.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:08:50PM] error:  (000C97D2): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000C97D2)].ObjectReference.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [C00GiantAttack (000C97D9)].QF_C00GiantAttack_000C97D9.Fragment_0() - "QF_C00GiantAttack_000C97D9.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:02PM] error:  (000DC54E): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC54E)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC54E)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:02PM] error:  (000DC556): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC556)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC556)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:25PM] error:  (000DC5BF): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC5BF)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC5BF)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC871)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC870)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC86F)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC863)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC862)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC861)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC871)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000FC873)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC870)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000FC874)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC86F)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000FC875)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC863)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000FC865)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC862)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000FC866)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC861)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000FC867)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC871)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC870)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] error:  (000FC863): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000FC863)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000FC863)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.OnCellAttach() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC86F)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] error:  (000FC862): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000FC862)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000FC862)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.OnCellAttach() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] error:  (000FC861): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000FC861)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000FC861)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.OnCellAttach() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC863)>] The Starting Weapon is [ObjectReference < (000FC86A)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC862)>] The Starting Weapon is [ObjectReference < (000FC869)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC861)>] The Starting Weapon is [ObjectReference < (000FC86B)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] error:  (000DC546): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC546)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC546)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC863)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC862)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000FC861)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] error:  (000FC861): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000FC861)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000FC867)].WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT.OnLoad() - "WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] error:  (000FC863): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000FC863)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000FC865)].WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT.OnLoad() - "WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:41PM] error:  (000FC862): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000FC862)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000FC866)].WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT.OnLoad() - "WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:59PM] Persuade: [Actor < (000DC9E4)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:09:59PM] [favordialoguescript <DialogueFavorGeneric (0005A6DC)>]Current Skill uses given: 1500.000000 times the Skill Use Multiplier
[07/06/2012 - 06:10:04PM] VM is freezing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:10:04PM] VM is frozen
[07/06/2012 - 06:10:05PM] Saving game...
[07/06/2012 - 06:10:05PM] VM is thawing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:08PM] VM is freezing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:08PM] VM is frozen
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:08PM] Log closed

 

 

 

 

 

Tenth test:

Skyrim Launcher Options:

Ultra plus original High-Res-DLC from Bethesda plus Vano89s optimized Hybrid HD-DLC-version

Ini Options:

uGridsToLoad=11

uExterior Cell Buffer=144

Data:

Posted Image

Comments: Aliasing on stairs, lit up items with shadows cast on them (plus shadow striping/strobing and all that crap) and items on loading screens. More lagging/stuttering than with normal uGrids-settings... Game freezed as I closed in on the Whiterun periphery.

 

 

[07/06/2012 - 06:11:38PM] Papyrus log opened (PC)
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:38PM] Update budget: 1.200000ms (Extra tasklet budget: 1.200000ms, Load screen budget: 500.000000ms)
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:38PM] Memory page: 128 (min) 512 (max) 76800 (max total)
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:44PM] VM is freezing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:44PM] VM is frozen
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:44PM] Reverting game...
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:51PM] Loading game...
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:51PM] VM is thawing...
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] AbWisp Effect Start on: None
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] Sending EVP to self and witchlight children ([Actor < (00108FD6)>])
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] Witchlights are the Following:
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] --------------------------------
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] [WitchlightActorScript < (00108FD3)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] [WitchlightActorScript < (00108FD5)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] [WitchlightActorScript < (00108FD4)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] --------------------------------
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] error: Cannot call HasPerk() on a None object, aborting function call
stack:
    [ (000997E9)].TrapBear.checkPerks() - "TrapBear.psc" Line ?
    [ (000997E9)].TrapBear.OnTriggerEnter() - "TrapBear.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:11:52PM] warning: Assigning None to a non-object variable named "::temp8"
stack:
    [ (000997E9)].TrapBear.checkPerks() - "TrapBear.psc" Line ?
    [ (000997E9)].TrapBear.OnTriggerEnter() - "TrapBear.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] running OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = False
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] error:  (000EC169): has no 3d, and so cannot have its motion type changed.
stack:
    [ (000EC169)].PhysicsTrap.SetMotionType() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000EC169)].PhysicsTrap.OnCellAttach() - "PhysicsTrap.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] error:  (000EC16A): has no 3d, and so cannot have its motion type changed.
stack:
    [ (000EC16A)].PhysicsTrap.SetMotionType() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000EC16A)].PhysicsTrap.OnCellAttach() - "PhysicsTrap.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] error:  (000EC16B): has no 3d, and so cannot have its motion type changed.
stack:
    [ (000EC16B)].PhysicsTrap.SetMotionType() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000EC16B)].PhysicsTrap.OnCellAttach() - "PhysicsTrap.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] error:  (000EC16C): has no 3d, and so cannot have its motion type changed.
stack:
    [ (000EC16C)].PhysicsTrap.SetMotionType() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000EC16C)].PhysicsTrap.OnCellAttach() - "PhysicsTrap.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] error:  (000EC16D): has no 3d, and so cannot have its motion type changed.
stack:
    [ (000EC16D)].PhysicsTrap.SetMotionType() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000EC16D)].PhysicsTrap.OnCellAttach() - "PhysicsTrap.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] error:  (000EC16E): has no 3d, and so cannot have its motion type changed.
stack:
    [ (000EC16E)].PhysicsTrap.SetMotionType() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000EC16E)].PhysicsTrap.OnCellAttach() - "PhysicsTrap.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] error:  (000EC16F): has no 3d, and so cannot have its motion type changed.
stack:
    [ (000EC16F)].PhysicsTrap.SetMotionType() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000EC16F)].PhysicsTrap.OnCellAttach() - "PhysicsTrap.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000ACD7E)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000ACD80)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] The TriggerMarker is [WeaponRackTriggerSCRIPT < (000B6F69)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] The Starting Weapon is [ObjectReference < (00035514)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] The Starting Weapon is None
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] Doesn't have a starting weapon
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD81)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] The Starting Weapon is [ObjectReference < (000B6F6B)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Has a starting weapon
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] Has a starting weapon
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Handling Starting Weapon
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] Handling Starting Weapon
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] [default2StateActivator < (000986C2)>] Enabling Collision
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Disabling physics on [ObjectReference < (00035514)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] Disabling physics on [ObjectReference < (000B6F6B)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] Moving 0 to the SwordMarker
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] error:  (000ACD7E): does not have any 3d and so cannot be moved to.
stack:
    [ (00035514)].ObjectReference.MoveToNode() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000ACD7F)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.HandleWeaponPlacement() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
    [ (000ACD7F)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.HandleStartingWeapon() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
    [ (000ACD7F)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.OnCellAttach() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000ACD7F)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] Moving 0 to the WarhammerMarker
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] error:  (000B6F69): does not have any 3d and so cannot be moved to.
stack:
    [ (000B6F6B)].ObjectReference.MoveToNode() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000B6F6A)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.HandleWeaponPlacement() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
    [ (000B6F6A)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.HandleStartingWeapon() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
    [ (000B6F6A)].WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.OnCellAttach() - "WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] DARYL - [WeaponRackActivateSCRIPT < (000B6F6A)>] finishing OnCellLoad() and AlreadyInit = TRUE
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:04PM] [default2StateActivator < (000986EC)>] Enabling Collision
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:23PM] [MQ102ChatterTrigger < (000AC137)>] triggered by [Actor < (0002BFA2)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:12:58PM] [MQ102ChatterTrigger < (000AC138)>] triggered by [Actor < (0002BFA2)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:13:04PM] error:  (000847DD): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000847DD)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000847DD)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:13:04PM] error:  (000DC8E1): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC8E1)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC8E1)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:13:22PM] error:  (000DC5BF): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC5BF)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC5BF)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:13:27PM] [MQ102ChatterTrigger < (00109C2F)>] triggered by [Actor < (0002BFA2)>]
[07/06/2012 - 06:13:36PM] error:  (000DC54E): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC54E)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC54E)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:13:36PM] error:  (000DC550): cannot enable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC550)].lvlpredatorscript.Enable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC550)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:13:36PM] error:  (000DC551): cannot disable an object with an enable state parent.
stack:
    [ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.Disable() - "<native>" Line ?
    [ (000DC551)].lvlpredatorscript.OnCellLoad() - "LvlPredatorScript.psc" Line ?
[07/06/2012 - 06:13:52PM] [MQ102ChatterTrigger < (000AC139)>] triggered by [Actor < (0002BFA2)>]

 

 

 

 

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yes the details shimmer/flicker a bit only when moving.

 

BUT... if you go outside to the grassy area with trees, take a screenshot with TrSSAA on 4x and then with none. even on application controlled there's a HUUUUGE difference.

 

I think this is just one of those games where certain textures don't get MSAA/TrSSAA'd properly. probably the bump mapping is what isn't getting done, because I notice the flickering/shimmering/aliasing on detailed doors too.

 

Edit: in fact, with no transparency supersampling on you can see every single tree leaf and grass blade flicker with aliasing all over, it's horrible. so TrSSAA+App controlled definitely works. but I don't think we're gonna get it perfect.

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Well that's what I thought. You know I might get paranoid one of these days but there is just no way I'm going to live with artifacting in one of my favorite games when it is absolutely a software issue by it's developpers they could fix if they would put some effort to it.

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well, not a *real* fix, just workarounds. I'm mostly using the fix from madwizard's .ini files which are probably the fixes you posted in the other thread, lol

 

it's still annoying bumping into objects and having them go transparent though. (I might test that one setting at 18000 or something instead of 25000)

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yeah i saw that.

 

BTW I just tried 4x4 supersampling. it does absolutely nothing from what I can tell. and if it did, my fps would probably be like <30, with a lot of games this setting just gets ignored. but sometimes 2x2 or 3x3 works. (didn't test it in Skyrim)

 

Edit1: if you *really* want full screen supersampling, we'd need a different antialiasing compatibility flag. but this will really tank the fps down a lot, i doubt anything higher than 2x2 would be playable at decent framerate

Edit2: but if we did somehow get it working, it would probably eliminate the shimmering/flickering on bump mapping. but at great cost to playability

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Wow, HDR gets disabled in SLi? WTF?!? do you have a link for that?

 

and why are you running 4x4 supersampling? that's gonna VERY quickly eat up your VRAM since it has to render the entire screen 4 times your resolution. like for 1080p it has to render at 4320p, which I don't even think SLi can render that far without hitting the pixel clock limit so it might be disabling it altogether when you start the game. and especially if you're using TrSSAA or SGSSAA you shouldn't need anything quite that insane, regular MSAA should catch the stuff that TrSSAA doesn't. (also, SGSSAA adds a full screen blur to everything).

 

I agree, SSAA + SGSSAA is overkill. SGSSAA is already applying to the entire scene post process, so MSAA is sufficient for AA for some initial cleanup of polygon edges.

 

However, SGSSAA does not cause blurring of a scene by itself. It always comes down to the game and whether its post processing effects aren't compatible. Skyrim today is very compatible, and I get absolutely no blurring whatsoever.

 

I also read somewhere that it's best to match MSAA with TrSSAA because TrSSAA gets it's data from the MSAA. so 4x with 4x or 8x with 8x, etc etc. but it's still possible to use more MSAA, just that the TrSSAA won't be quite as accurate at finding the nearest neighboring pixels and such.

Correction. TrSSAA needs to be used with SSAA, and TrMSAA needs to be used with MSAA. That is where they each rely on their repsective data, and using anything than those pairings will not provide the quality you are expecting. But you are right, they should be matched in power.
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Please keep in mind that whenever you use SGSSAA you should always match the number of MSAA samples used to the number of SGSSAA samples used. 8xMSAA + 4xSGSSAA will usually have lower quality than 4xMSAA + 4xSGSSAA. This is because SGSSAA gets its sample coordinates from the MSAA samples. So if you have more MSAA samples than SGSSAA samples the SGSSAA samples will not be placed in the ideal locations. Also you cannot have more SGSSAA samples than MSAA samples for the same reason (SGSSAA uses the MSAA sample coordinates).  Even though it uses MSAA sample coordinates using additional coverage samples will reduce the effectiveness of SGSSAA by changing the grid pattern so that the MSAA samples are placed closer to the center of the pixel (which is a less ideal location). This is why I advised 4xMSAA + 4xSGSSAA and not 16xCSAA (4xMSAA + 12 extra coverage samples) + 4xSGSSAA.

there's also settings for LOD Bias depending on TrSSAA/SGSSAA/OGSSAA.

 

so you may be right about TrSSAA getting it's samples from SSAA, but it looks like SGSSAA uses MSAA for it's samples

 

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LOD adjustment is also being mis-represented on a lot of websites. You do not always have to adjust it, particularly when using SGSSAA. A lot of it comes down to the compatibility bits being used. Lowering also tends to introduce more texture shimmering. I'm using the Skryim bits provided by the latest drivers, LOD set to 0, and I have an outstanding picture with no texture shimmering.

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stoppingby4now Talos

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BTW I just tested SGSSAA vs TrSSAA and you're right the SGSSAA doesn't blur in skyrim. and SGSSAA seemed to do a better job, it even reduced the shimmering on bump mapped textures (like the little ring-like things around the blessing stone thingies)

The thing to keep in mind is that SGSSAA is a form of SSAA, and is applied to the full screen post process, but also doesn't incur the performance hit that pure SSAA does. TrSSAA only works on alphatextures.

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LOD adjustment is also being mis-represented on a lot of websites. You do not always have to adjust it, particularly when using SGSSAA. A lot of it comes down to the compatibility bits being used. Lowering also tends to introduce more texture shimmering. I'm using the Skryim bits provided by the latest drivers, LOD set to 0, and I have an outstanding picture with no texture shimmering. 

So you don't use any other settings in Nvidia Inspector? Just standard NVidia provided bits?
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Definitely notice a big improvement with SGSSAA vs TRSSAA. for example the leather helmet textures and algorian (sp?) Doesn't flicker/shimmer/alias nearly as much

 

Edit: probably butchered the name, but I meant the lizard race. Anyways, I think 8x SGSSAA would fully get rid of ALL aliasing/shimmering (even on the stones and doors) but at a huge performance cost.

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