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#16 AddictedxGamer

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 07:59 PM

Ouch. That is the wrong priorities. Believe it or not, the answer to your question is on the mod pages, the guide, in so many ways. For one, the Mod Organizer setup page told you to arrange the priorities of the non-MO mods. Then the guide says that the mods should be in the order of the guide. Then the DLC pages say where to place the cleaned ESMs. Then the High Resolution Texture Pack page says how to arrange its three non-MO mods again. Is there some place else we should put this info to make it clear what order to put these in?
 

Thanks, Double!
 
I really don't have a good explanation on my part.  The only thing I can say is that I admit that I'm an idiot.  I didn't read the detailed instructions in the guide for Dawnguard, HearthFires, Dragonborn or the High Resolution Packs.  That's why I didn't know the order to put them in.  This is also part of the reason why I didn't know how to go about cleaning the master files for Dawnguard, HearthFires or Dragonborn.
 
Personally, I think adding a note to the bottom of the instructions in "2.B. Clean the Update ESM" mentioning that the master files for the DLC need to be cleaned the same way would be a good idea.  Mention that the detailed instructions for each of them needs to be read to ensure it's done right.  Maybe posting the above load order would help clear up any further confusion that people have.
 
For me the problem was mostly my own doing, caused by my lack of reading.  I thought the detailed instructions for the DLC were just going to tell me how to install them via Steam or something, which I already knew how to do.  Had I known that they detailed how to handle the cleaning of the files and where to place the mod created in the process, I would have read them.
 
Anyways; thank you!   ::):

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#17 Nozzer66

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:09 PM

Maybe a small clickable photo on the guide to suggest mod order? Seeing it in the flesh might make more sense than just a verbal explanation. I worked it out fairly quickly personally, but then again I've been modding for a while. An actual picture might make it easier for those who are new to it? Similar to those pictorial guides to setting up in the DDSopt how to maybe?

 

No issue or offence meant of course. Just a suggestion.


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#18 DoubleYou

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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:15 PM

Hey, I'm looking for any suggestions to make the guide easier! Indeed, I've been advocating we split off the Unofficial Patches + DLC into its own section if possible. That would make the photo idea much more feasible. As it is, I can't see a good place to put the picture.

 

Perhaps we should integrate pictures of how MO should look in each section???



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:15 PM

If I put the Unofficial Skyrim Patch above Dawnguard like you said to DoubleYou, I get an error in the top right that tells me to move it below Dawnguard...
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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:18 PM

If I put the Unofficial Skyrim Patch above Dawnguard like you said to DoubleYou, I get an error in the top right that tells me to move it below Dawnguard...

That's because you haven't sorted the plugins yet with LOOT or such. The warning is based off your mod priority order somewhat matching your plugin priority order (load order).



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Posted 21 July 2014 - 08:21 PM

That's because you haven't sorted the plugins yet with LOOT or such. The warning is based off your mod priority order somewhat matching your plugin priority order (load order).

Oh, so once it's sorted with LOOT, that will fix itself? Okay, great! Thanks! Also, I think your idea of potentially having screenshots of the correct load order in Mod Organizer at the end of each section would be a great addition to the guide. It would definitely help people understand everything better.
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Posted 22 July 2014 - 02:27 AM

Well all you would need is a link to say: If you want to double check your load order click HERE for a photo of the STEP suggested order. 

 

That way even real modding neophytes should be good. 


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:25 AM

Well all you would need is a link to say: If you want to double check your load order click HERE for a photo of the STEP suggested order. 

 

That way even real modding neophytes should be good. 

The link could be placed right before the button that says Benchmark at the end of each category.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:31 AM

I'm guessing the problem you have understanding my instructions is because I didn't tell you the why. Maybe I should note that the files in Overwrite are the TES5Edit Backups, although I would think that was clear from the title of the new mod being TES5Edit Backups.

 

Perhaps you had unchecked the Backup Plugins option in TES5Edit? Thing is, from my testing, no matter if you have that ticked or not, there will always at least be an empty TES5Edit Backups folder.

I should clarifiy, I wasn't intending to berate you or anyone who wrote the instructions.  I have tried to make my own PERSONAL mod list Excel file once and it was so much work I quit.

 

I have much respect for the makers of this guide..I just got confused here because something didn't behave how it said it would.  Once I understood it though, it made perfect sense. :)

 

I finished STEP but later had to remove the Skyrim Overhaul mod though because it was crashing my game (without any mods not in STEP)..I need to make a topic on that.


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Posted 22 July 2014 - 10:44 AM

I should clarifiy, I wasn't intending to berate you or anyone who wrote the instructions.  I have tried to make my own PERSONAL mod list Excel file once and it was so much work I quit.

 

I have much respect for the makers of this guide..I just got confused here because something didn't behave how it said it would.  Once I understood it though, it made perfect sense. :)

 

I finished STEP but later had to remove the Skyrim Overhaul mod though because it was crashing my game (without any mods not in STEP)..I need to make a topic on that.

I'm trying to do the same thing right now; create a list of mods I want to use, grouping them into the following categories.

 

Essential - Mods that I won't play the game without.  For example; Frostfall.

Almost Necessary - Mods that I really want, but could possibly live without.  For example; Follower Commentary Overhaul.

Wanted - Mods that I want, but could easily live without.  For example; aMidianBorn Book of Silence.

Extras - Mods that I won't really notice playing with or without.  For example; A Matter of Time - A HUD Clock Widget.

 

It's easily one of the most frustrating things I've ever done.  


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 10:33 AM

I'm trying to do the same thing right now; create a list of mods I want to use, grouping them into the following categories.

 

Essential - Mods that I won't play the game without.  For example; Frostfall.

Almost Necessary - Mods that I really want, but could possibly live without.  For example; Follower Commentary Overhaul.

Wanted - Mods that I want, but could easily live without.  For example; aMidianBorn Book of Silence.

Extras - Mods that I won't really notice playing with or without.  For example; A Matter of Time - A HUD Clock Widget.

 

It's easily one of the most frustrating things I've ever done.  

 

Definitely frustrating.  I have 300 hours in Skyrim and I have probably only 40 hours of ACTUAL gameplay.  No joke.  I've gone on these modding rampages before usually ending up in endless loading screens, crashes, etc..then I quit.

 

But I can't play this game vanilla, it's just too beautiful and amazing with all the mods.  All the new memory patch stuff has seemed to solve the CTD's...WHEN using mods that don't conflict and break each other.  STEP guide helps for that, but even then there are problems.  SDO I crash when I use it so I had to remove that..no clue why..it gave me infinite loading screens.

But yeah, I am with you..it's frustrating.  I have all of STEP installed, the patches, and then a myriad of my own mods now..by using GEMS and my friends installed mod list.  I am near the bottom of his list which is my last step before I actually begin to play...lol.  Not noticing and crashes or issues so far so that's good but you never know once you get in a real gameplay adventure =D

 

I then got sidetracked by ENB which I normally don't use..but I want everything perfect (which in Skyrim is very hard lol).  My nights and indoors were perfect..but day times were a bit..funky...always were to me in Skyrim..using ENB with bloom tends to make the days look proper...like properly lit like I like..so then messing with enb settings to get that bloom only during days, not indoors or night, and getting all the settings right without huge FPS drops..been a chore aha.

 

Okay I ranted on too long =D


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:10 PM

Definitely frustrating.  I have 300 hours in Skyrim and I have probably only 40 hours of ACTUAL gameplay.  No joke.  I've gone on these modding rampages before usually ending up in endless loading screens, crashes, etc..then I quit.   But I can't play this game vanilla, it's just too beautiful and amazing with all the mods.  All the new memory patch stuff has seemed to solve the CTD's...WHEN using mods that don't conflict and break each other.  STEP guide helps for that, but even then there are problems.  SDO I crash when I use it so I had to remove that..no clue why..it gave me infinite loading screens. But yeah, I am with you..it's frustrating.  I have all of STEP installed, the patches, and then a myriad of my own mods now..by using GEMS and my friends installed mod list.  I am near the bottom of his list which is my last step before I actually begin to play...lol.  Not noticing and crashes or issues so far so that's good but you never know once you get in a real gameplay adventure =D   I then got sidetracked by ENB which I normally don't use..but I want everything perfect (which in Skyrim is very hard lol).  My nights and indoors were perfect..but day times were a bit..funky...always were to me in Skyrim..using ENB with bloom tends to make the days look proper...like properly lit like I like..so then messing with enb settings to get that bloom only during days, not indoors or night, and getting all the settings right without huge FPS drops..been a chore aha.   Okay I ranted on too long =D

That's what always ended up happening to me too. I would get frustrated with adding mods a few at a time and then testing for conflicts so I would just add them all in bulk; over 100 at a time. Then I'd get pissed when I'd have crashes, infinite loading screens, etc. I tried to tell myself to be patient and do it the right way, but the desire to actually PLAY the game, with mods, would always get the best of me. Following STEP is hopefully going to be the answer I've been looking for, resulting in a stable, modded game. I agree with you on the subject of ENB; Skyrim just doesn't look right without it. The vanilla game doesn't have very good lighting at all.
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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:14 PM

That's what always ended up happening to me too. I would get frustrated with adding mods a few at a time and then testing for conflicts so I would just add them all in bulk; over 100 at a time. Then I'd get pissed when I'd have crashes, infinite loading screens, etc. I tried to tell myself to be patient and do it the right way, but the desire to actually PLAY the game, with mods, would always get the best of me. Following STEP is hopefully going to be the answer I've been looking for, resulting in a stable, modded game. I agree with you on the subject of ENB; Skyrim just doesn't look right without it. The vanilla game doesn't have very good lighting at all.

 

Yeah, even with CoT and ELE and ELFX which is what I use now, days are just not right.  Indoors and Dungeons EXEPTIONAL but outdoors just has this overcontrast yet drab look.  ENB's bloom (which normally I hate bloom) really tends to just soften it all and make it look proper!

 

I am using Skyrealism ENB which I just found, and my old 1.2 FXAA injector (I prefer it due to how it sharpens) and it is bliss for me :)


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Posted 24 July 2014 - 04:34 PM

Yeah, even with CoT and ELE and ELFX which is what I use now, days are just not right.  Indoors and Dungeons EXEPTIONAL but outdoors just has this overcontrast yet drab look.  ENB's bloom (which normally I hate bloom) really tends to just soften it all and make it look proper!   I am using Skyrealism ENB which I just found, and my old 1.2 FXAA injector (I prefer it due to how it sharpens) and it is bliss for me :)

I used to use CoT and RLO, but I'm planning to use ELFX this time around. I gave thought to using RCRN instead, but it's hard to find an ENB that works with it, whereas almost all of them work with, and nicely compliment CoT. As for my preferred ENB; I've used quite a few of them. The one I plan to use this time around is the Seasons of Skyrim ENB.
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Posted 25 July 2014 - 09:59 AM

I like ELFX combined with CoT and then ELE ..together the three I ge the closest to nights, indoors, days that I like.. (days still not quite right, but ENB solves that)

 

Now I am just at a poitn where I need to remove some mods because even at 60 fps it feels bogged down...frustrating..I should just play without so many mods...with ENB it still looks incredible..lol...

 

This is the Skyrim curse :(  I may never actually play


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