SynthetikHD

Okay guys I don’t need a -3 reputation to see that everyone disagrees with me…. All I’m trying to say is I don’t think people should have a right to deny someone else to MODIFY their own work. I’m not sure why “stealing†keeps being thrown around and analogies to stealing like “Do you think many scientists would be grateful to someone who steals and publishes their research somewhere without their permission?†That is not what I’m saying!?!?!?! Why do you guys think I am??? All I’m saying is...I do not think Leonardo da Vinci has a right to say that no alterations of the Mona Lisa can be made. I think it is ethically acceptable for these to exist, even if the author does not want them to. I don’t think Katy Perry has a right to say that no remixes of her songs can be made. I think it is ethically acceptable for these to exist, even if the author does not want them to. I don’t think Turkey’s dictator has a right to say that no alterations of images of him can be made. I think it is ethically acceptable for these to exist, even if the author does not want them to. Finally, I don’t think a mod author has a right to say that alterations of their mod are not allowed to be made. If I ask a mod author if I can upload a purple variation of a sword that he made while still giving him credit, and he says no...I would respect his choice. However, I still think it is ethically acceptable for me to upload a purple variation of his sword online, even though I would not do it. Mod authors, and authors in general, have a right to their work. I just don’t feel they should have the right to deny people of having fun and modifying their work. Also, this is a hypothetical situation. I do not know a mod author that would deny someone the permission to modify or change their mod. Mod authors are nice. Okay, you can proceed with downvoting me now. Have fun.

Uploading a mod saying it is your own is stealing. Uploading a mod where you don't give credit to the author is stealing. Using someone else's work and making it better doesn't seem like stealing to me. :/ Sigh, maybe I'm just a sociopath for thinking that there is nothing wrong with people enjoying modified versions of other peoples work. I won't say anymore on the topic, it seems I'm getting downvoted which I didn't even realize was a thing.

Sigh, idk I'm still not sure if I agree with most of you. This will probably be my last post on this because I can't keep up responding to everyone. I just want to say that I don't think that a mod author saying that they don't want their work redistributed really means much of anything. Their wishes are not enforceable in anyway. Stealing someones mod or not giving them credit is obviously ethically wrong, hopefully I'm right in saying everyone here agrees with that. I just don't really see that me taking someone else's 1's and 0's online and updating them, or changing them for others to enjoy is ethically wrong. I don't think it is wrong in a situation where I receive no response from an inactive mod author, and I don't think it is wrong in a situation where the mod author says I can f--- off and explicitly tells me I can't change his work and upload it. I do however agree that not uploading the authors mod in the two situations above is probably the polite thing to do....but I don't think it's wrong if I still upload it. A pop music artist says she doesn't want people uploading piano covers of her song online? Who cares, there's nothing ethically wrong with that. A movie director says he doesn't want people uploading videos of his movies with the audio replaced? Who cares, there's nothing ethically wrong with that. A mod author doesn't want his mod updated/changed and put online for others to enjoy? Why??? I see nothing ethically wrong with it.

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I was really confused where the posts went for a minute. I thought I may have gone back in time before those posts were made or something.

So what you are saying is, in this situation, that having fun in SSE with the Schlongs of Skyrim mod is ethically wrong? Anyone that wants to use a mod in SSE that is broken and the mod author does not update is ethically wrong? Idk, I don't think that's the case. EDIT: Removing post text makes no sense if it is quoted on a following post ... I replaced the missing text in this post to make the topic easier to follow.

idk. This is what it's really all about guys. Say if SSE comes out and it breaks Schlongs of Skyrim. I want to update it but say either #1: the mod author has been inactive for years and can't be reached or #2: he is active and he denies me permission to use his mod because he thinks SSE sucks and doesn't want anyone using his perfect mod in SSE or maybe he just says no but gives no reason, etc. All I want is to have fun in Skyrim so I spend a few hours in the new Creation Kit fixing his mod. It was a long and tedious process to fix his mod, but I did it, and I want other people to experience the joys of Schlongs of Skyrim in the new SSE. So I upload the fixed mod to Google Drive, giving the original author full credit, and post the fixed mod on the STEP forums for other people to enjoy. idk about all these claims of copyright and enforceability and rights and terms of service and so on. I just want other people to share in the fun. So I ask you guys....was what I did really so wrong? ***full disclaimer I have no idea if schlongs of skyrim is a real mod I've just seen it memed on reddit EDIT: Removing post text makes no sense if it is quoted on a following post ... I replaced the missing text in this post to make the topic easier to follow.

But there is literally no way to enforce that copyright. It is technically completely meaningless. Therefore there is still nothing stopping someone from updating or changing some inactive guys mod. What I'm trying to say is if you don't like the system, then don't honor it. If you don't believe in the Nexus' ToS, then don't use the Nexus. Mod authors technically have no enforceable rights in regards to their mods, and should know that when they upload their mods. And people that steal/update someone elses mod faces no repercussions other than a possible Steam/Nexus account ban. But here's the thing....no one here thinks it is unethical. So is it really unethical? Like you said "they would have no problem with someone updating their mods." So how could it be unethical? EDIT: Removing post text makes no sense if it is quoted on a following post ... I replaced the missing text in this post to make the topic easier to follow.

But that is different, those mods were stolen and credit was not given. The mods were not changed, or updated, the authors were not inactive, permission was not asked first, etc. It's a much different situation. EDIT: Removing post text makes no sense if it is quoted on a following post ... I replaced the missing text in this post to make the topic easier to follow.

This post does not reflect the position of the STEP community, and it definitely approaches advocacy of breaching the modding code of ethics (i.e., copyright infringement). Using "what if?" and "I think" kinds of wording would disambiguate, so let this be a warning to SynthetikHD and any onlookers that would post in kind here or anywhere else on this site. -z929669 Can someone please tell me what would be stopping anyone from simply taking someone else's old abandoned mod that you want to update, and uploading it somewhere else besides the Nexus for people to download? (but still giving them credit/their name on it/etc) If you think that there is nothing ethically or morally wrong with that, which there really isn't, then who cares? Honestly? If there's some guy that made a cool mod years ago but is a jerk that says he doesn't want anyone to update it for SSE, what is he going to do to stop me? If there is some other dude who made an awesome mod years ago but hasn't been active for years and his mods need updating...what is he going to do if I update his mods for other people to enjoy? I've just honestly really never understood this...if you do not agree with the parlor view of modding, then don't honor it. Simple. If the Nexus doesn't want you to upload updated versions of someone else's mods, then upload it to one of the literally thousands of data hosting sites that don't have a problem with it. Simple. EDIT: Removing post text makes no sense if it is quoted on a following post ... I replaced the missing text in this post to make the topic easier to follow.

I can barely spot the Chromatic Aberration, it's barely present. But I do agree though, some games just use waaaaay too strong CA. Mostly Unreal Engine games, Outlast being one that had very strong CA by default.

I don't think I've even heard anyone on here mention the thought of Bethesda doing this because they're going to bring back paid mods until you did. I agree I think it's very likely as well.

Oh ****...what if the reason they are releasing Skyrim: Special Edition for free on PC...is because they are bringing back paid mods?? Think about it...Skyrim on PC doesn't need this Special Edition at all really, and it makes even less sense that Bethesda is releasing this update for free to PC users out of the goodness of their hearts. I think their plan is to release the 'upgraded' version of Skyrim for free to make everyone happy, and they bring back paid mods along with it. They're really pushing and emphasizing the idea of mods on the consoles, so what if for Skyrim: Special Edition, it's released with paid mods? I think I'm onto something here guys.. Thoughts?

LOL! The guy recording this video was in Snoop Dogg's squad. But yeah this game does look really good. Also EA/Dice have been on point in regards to the marketing for this game, I don't think it's possible for them to have done better and gotten anymore hype than they already have.

Yeah, it is all scripted and set pieces strung together, but nonetheless it still looks very epic and intense. I don't think there is or will be anything quite like it (the epic and massive first person space battles and boarding other large ships) until the Star Citizen campaign comes out, whenever that will be. But I'm positive it's YouTube compression that makes it look like ****. Gamespot ripped the gameplay from a heavily compressed livestream then reuploaded it to YouTube for it to be compressed again. Edit: I updated the video with one that isn't compressed and doesn't look awful.